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Analysis of economic and productivity losses caused by cookie banners in Europe

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Re: Analysis of economic and productivity losses caused by cookie banners in Europe

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Post by diggan »

gjsman-1000 wrote: post #34
diggan wrote: post #31

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Except it's not that black and white. If you follow the regulation too loosely, you get warnings. If you then ignore the problem, you'd get bigger problems. But no one is gonna put a "10% of global turnover" as a fine immediately.

> But no one is gonna put a "10% of global turnover" as a fine immediately. You're dealing with the EU. Stupidly high fines happen weekly.

> You're dealing with the EU. Stupidly high fines happen weekly.

Thank you for making it clear you wasn't taking the conversation seriously, I almost thought someone could hold opinions like that in real life, but I'm happy it wasn't so.

Re: Analysis of economic and productivity losses caused by cookie banners in Europe

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Post by coldpie »

al_borland wrote: post #36
coldpie wrote: post #6

Hop into your uBlock Origin settings and enable the Cookie Banner filters. Fixed. Enable the Annoyances filters too, while you're in there. If you're on iOS, the Kill Sticky bookmarklet does a decent job of cleaning these up without breaking most sites: https://www.smokingonabike.com/2024/01/20/take-back-your-web...

I use Hush on iOS.

Oh nice, thanks. I'll give that a shot.

Re: Analysis of economic and productivity losses caused by cookie banners in Europe

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Post by evanb »

keketi wrote: post #28

Because I use fresh incognito mode for each browsing session, I have to click through those consent popups on every website I visit. Quite frustrating to say the least.

You can use Consentomatic to have it automatically handled. It's from Aarhus University, open source.

https://consentomatic.au.dk/

Re: Analysis of economic and productivity losses caused by cookie banners in Europe

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Post by elashri »

tonymet wrote: post #14
coldpie wrote: post #6

Hop into your uBlock Origin settings and enable the Cookie Banner filters. Fixed. Enable the Annoyances filters too, while you're in there. If you're on iOS, the Kill Sticky bookmarklet does a decent job of cleaning these up without breaking most sites: https://www.smokingonabike.com/2024/01/20/take-back-your-web...

content-based adblocking requires tremendous resources, and no longer works in Chrome, which is the primary browser.

> content-based adblocking requires tremendous resources

That's not true. On average any overhead in browsing performance introduced by ad blocking is compensated by the elimination of tracking and ads elements of the pages. It saves bandwidth and are better for UX. We can argue about business models but claiming it requires tremendous resources is not true.

And content-based ad blocking still works in chrome but in much more limited capability compared to superior browser like Firefox.

Re: Analysis of economic and productivity losses caused by cookie banners in Europe

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Post by ravenstine »

frereubu wrote: post #27

"All" the EU needs to do is to mandate adherence to the Do Not Track setting in browsers, but then vast swathes of businesses based on unwanted and unethical tracking would go bust, so we have this really shitty stalemate. All websites we build adhere to the Do Not Track setting and don't even show a cookie banner if it's set. The only question is whether we should show a message to say that we're not tracking people…

Let those fuckers go out of business.

I'm sorry, but if we are really so worried about businesses failing that we can't restore some amount of sanity, then something is wrong with society.

Re: Analysis of economic and productivity losses caused by cookie banners in Europe

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Post by dijit »

r3trohack3r wrote: post #39
diggan wrote: post #5

Correct URL: https://legiscope.com/blog/hidden-productivity-drain-cookie-... > This situation calls for an urgent revision of the ePrivacy Directive Shame companies cannot live without tracking cookies, and shame that the blame somehow end up on the regulation, rather than the companies who are the ones who introduce this cookie banner and "massive productivity loss". You know the best way of not having to put up coo…

> You know the best way of not having to care about GDPR? Don't store PII. I hear this a lot. As an American that hosts casual personal websites, I can't help but worry that I'm in violation of the GDPR. For example, my router logs connections for debugging. And my NGinx server maintains server logs for debugging. These contain IP addresses. I'm pretty sure those are considered PII under GDPR. And there are a lot of…

I get it, but you’re not in violation if you never pass those logs to anyone.

GDPR is intentionally obfuscated and made scary by people who have an interest in others thinking the regulation is onerous and silly (so that it is eventually changed/removed).

The regulation is not very hard to read, I would recommend you do it if you haven’t and boils down to: “don’t pass on (process) information without informed consent, if someone requests that you remove their account you should do so- and also don’t keep records around, and do your best not to let anyone access personal information”, the last one is technically unenforceable, but exists to prevent people leaving open access to data processors and bypassing consent more than anything else. A secondary benefit is that people take access controls a little more seriously by forcing breach disclosures.

Even the cookie banners are not needed unless you’re setting cookies for data collection, especially for third-parties!

There is a distinct irony in that all the online simplifications (“gdpr for dummies”, “the 7 things to comply with for gdpr”) are misleading and harder to read than the actual text of the regulation.

EDIT; I was foolish to post this during the peak time for US people. It feels like the Americans want the GDPR to be perceived as a pain.

Re: Analysis of economic and productivity losses caused by cookie banners in Europe

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Post by whstl »

Alupis wrote: post #32
diggan wrote: post #5

Correct URL: https://legiscope.com/blog/hidden-productivity-drain-cookie-... > This situation calls for an urgent revision of the ePrivacy Directive Shame companies cannot live without tracking cookies, and shame that the blame somehow end up on the regulation, rather than the companies who are the ones who introduce this cookie banner and "massive productivity loss". You know the best way of not having to put up coo…

> Shame companies cannot live without tracking cookies Most cookies are entirely benign. Many cookies (or something like a cookie) are required for a website to operate normally. The EU law, while good intentioned, was/is too broad and failed to understand the realities of operating websites. This regulation has caused the entire world to be annoyed with useless cookie banners that 99% of people just reflexively clic…

> Many cookies (or something like a cookie) are required for a website to operate normally

"Essential Cookies" do not need a consent banner.

Case in point: Hacker News is 100% compliant AFAIK and has no banner.

> Many websites have legitimate need to store PII.

If there is actual legitimate interest or legal requirements, such as collecting an address for delivering a package or performing fraud-prevention, there is also no need for cookie banners.

Re: Analysis of economic and productivity losses caused by cookie banners in Europe

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Post by wil421 »

tonymet wrote: post #14
coldpie wrote: post #6

Hop into your uBlock Origin settings and enable the Cookie Banner filters. Fixed. Enable the Annoyances filters too, while you're in there. If you're on iOS, the Kill Sticky bookmarklet does a decent job of cleaning these up without breaking most sites: https://www.smokingonabike.com/2024/01/20/take-back-your-web...

content-based adblocking requires tremendous resources, and no longer works in Chrome, which is the primary browser.

Switched to edge at work and Safari at home/mobile hasn't been a huge issue. Firefox is my secondary. Although I no longer do much web debugging, the switch from edge to chrome wasn't too painful.
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