There's this earthquake phrase in past tense:
> We felt like we had agency.
A neurology ICU nurse on AI in hospitals
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Re: A neurology ICU nurse on AI in hospitals
#42Healthcare is a massive cost for people, businesses, and governments. >So we basically just become operators of the machines. Driving down the cost of manufacturing because of process standardization and automation brought down the cost of consumer goods, and labor's value. If you don't think this is coming for every single area of business, you're foolish. Driving down labor costs is the golden goose. We've been abl…
The more you put AI, you automate, the more you centralize control. Heck, when you don't need humans anymore, then there's no work anymore and it remains a few very wealthy people. You end up with a big inequal society. And I believe there's a 99% chance that you will be on the wrong side of it.
Re: A neurology ICU nurse on AI in hospitals
#43Healthcare is a massive cost for people, businesses, and governments. >So we basically just become operators of the machines. Driving down the cost of manufacturing because of process standardization and automation brought down the cost of consumer goods, and labor's value. If you don't think this is coming for every single area of business, you're foolish. Driving down labor costs is the golden goose. We've been abl…
> Driving down the cost of manufacturing because of process standardization and automation brought down the cost of consumer goods
This is true, but it has nothing to do with AI.
Re: A neurology ICU nurse on AI in hospitals
#44Earlier quoted context omitted.
Some of us look forward to that future where you mostly just interact with AI. The one depressing us is not turning running over our goverment to AI. The sooner we can do that the better, you can't trust humans.
If you don't trut humans you shouldn't trust AI-. AI is based on human input and has the same biases.
Minus the accountability.
Re: A neurology ICU nurse on AI in hospitals
#45Earlier quoted context omitted.
Some of us look forward to that future where you mostly just interact with AI. The one depressing us is not turning running over our goverment to AI. The sooner we can do that the better, you can't trust humans.
"You can't trust humans" but you can trust a non deterministic black box to take their place?
Are you suggesting humans are deterministic?
Re: A neurology ICU nurse on AI in hospitals
#46Everyone should be terrified. The "promise" of AI is the following: remove any kind of remaining communication between humans, because that is "inefficient", and replace it with an AI that will mediate all human interactions (in business and even in other areas). In a few years, AIs trained by big corps will run the show and humans will be required to interface with them to do anything of value. Similar to what they…
Counterpoint: AI is actually better at communication than most humans. In fact, even an ancient (in relative terms) article found that AI bots have better bedside manner than human doctors: https://www.theguardian.com/technology/2023/apr/28/ai-has-be... Today, I expect it's not even very close. I also believe that AI diagnostics are on average more accurate than the mean human doctor's diagnostic efforts -- and can b…
AI is better in simulating communication but worse in understanding.
>you can do the same thing with GPT-4o and get a reasonable response in no time at all -- at and no cost.
Reasonable doesn't mean correct. Who is liable if it's the wrong answer?
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#47I think something this article demonstrates is how AI implementation is resulting in building resistance to AI because AI is being forced onto people instead of being demanded by those people. Typically, the people doing the forcing don't understand very well the job the people being forced to adopt AI actually perform.
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#48Earlier quoted context omitted.
> AI converging with medical technology is a really dangerous space, for obvious reasons. An article like this does make me worry it's being rushed through, but not because of the author's objections, instead because of their ignorance of what is and what isn't AI I mean, worth pointing out that OpenAI has been shoving LLMs into people's faces for going on about a year and half now at global scale and calling it AI,…
That's been the technical definition in the AI research community for at least 50 years. "AI = machines that think like people" is the sci-fi definition.
Yes but OpenAI is flagrantly using the people's sci-fi defintion understanding to radically overvalue it's, to be blunt, utterly mid products.
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#49I did a bunch of research essays into medical uses of AI/ML and I'm not terrified, in fact the single most significant use of these technologies is probably in or around healthcare. One of the most cited uses would be expert analysis of medical imaging, especially breast cancer imaging. There is a lot of context to unpack around breast cancer imaging, or more sucinctly put, controversial drama! The fact is there is a statisticalluy high rate of false positives in breast cancer diagnostics made by human doctors. This reality resulted in a big overall policy shift to have women breast scanned less often, depending on their age, or something like that. Because so many women were victimized with breast surgery that turned out to be false positive or whatever. The old saying to make an omlet one must break a few eges is sometimes used, and that's a terrible euphamism. AI has proven to be better at looking at medical image, and in the case of breast cancer seems to out perform humans. And of course the humans have a monotonous job revewing image after image, and they want to be safe instead of latter being sorry, so of course they have high false possitives. The machines never get tired, they never get biased (this is a bone of contention), and they never stop. Ultimatly a human doctor still has to review the images, and the machines simply inform if the doctor is being too agressive in diagnosis, or possibly missing something. The whole thing gets escellated if there is any disparity. The out come from early studdies is encouraging, but these studies take years, and are very expensive. One of the biggest problems is the technology proficiency of medical staff is low, and so we are now in a situation where software engineers are cross traning to be at the level of a nurse or even doctors in rare cases.
Re: A neurology ICU nurse on AI in hospitals
#50Earlier quoted context omitted.
> Some of us look forward to that future where you mostly just interact with AI. What is it about that that appeals to you? I'm genuinely curious. A world without human interaction feels like a world I don't want to exist in.
If you are autistic (for example) I'm guessing human interaction can be extremely difficult and very stressful and triggering. Machines are much more amenable and don't have loads of arbitrary unwritten rules the way humans do. Maybe the idea of being entrapped by bureaucracy introduced by machines will be better than the the bureaucracy introduced by humans?
The difference between a standard human-written algorithm and machine learning is exactly that inability to find the rules transparent, predictable, and not arbitrary.