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New York Times Tech Guild goes on strike

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Re: New York Times Tech Guild goes on strike

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Post by conartist6 »

lolinder wrote: post #32
conartist6 wrote: post #15

Earlier quoted context omitted.

I rely on them to know what is going on, and tomorrow is the biggest day of every four years for needing to know what the heck is going on. I find your suggestion that I should consider the trust I've built with their news division destroyed on this day of all days ridiculous and irresponsible, especially given the fact that the timing of the strike was chosen to hurt me extremely badly if I should feel morally oblig…

> was chosen to hurt me extremely badly if I should feel morally obligated to follow your advice A few sincere questions: 1. Are there no other news sources that you'd trust to convey the binary of 'who won the election?' 2. Assuming that there aren't, what negative effect would there be to you from not knowing the result of the election for a few days? I'm sorta hoping that "hurt me extremely badly" is an exaggerati…

That's assuming the result is a binary this year. I'm expecting torrents of news about this contest, which is likely to turn into a brawl.

Re: New York Times Tech Guild goes on strike

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Post by zapnuk »

7thpower wrote: post #25
bwestergard wrote: post #3

I am also a member of the union at NPR, on the subway headed to the picket line in solidarity right now. Happy to answer any questions. I encourage everyone to respect the picket line and get your news elsewhere until the workers get a deal. The Times Workers are holding the line against arbitrary return to office mandates and for Just Cause protections. The vast majority of HN consists of developers, designers, QA,…

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You might want to research the topic of strikes & unions.

The timple truth is that it's a give and take. If the demands would be too extreme the NYT would go bankrupt and the workers lose out on their job.

Thus, it's in their best interest to have reasonable demands. Most people forgett this part.

The workers, collectively, formed demands. At some point the burden should be on the employer to explain why the demands are not reasonable.

Re: New York Times Tech Guild goes on strike

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Post by Cthulhu_ »

corndoge wrote: post #13
bwestergard wrote: post #3

I am also a member of the union at NPR, on the subway headed to the picket line in solidarity right now. Happy to answer any questions. I encourage everyone to respect the picket line and get your news elsewhere until the workers get a deal. The Times Workers are holding the line against arbitrary return to office mandates and for Just Cause protections. The vast majority of HN consists of developers, designers, QA,…

They're striking against return to office? I work from home and value it but it never would occur to me to strike for that. I view it as a privilege and not a right. Almost everyone in the world has to go on location for their jobs. I am curious why it is so important to NYT workers in particular that they would strike over it - is there something particularly bad about the location?

Have you got a family? How long is your commute? What did you (and your family) gain from the move to WFH? Speaking for myself I gained over two hours of free time a day and a lot less stress from traffic. I wouldn't mind so much if my office was in walking or cycling distance, but living where you work is rare in this field.

Re: New York Times Tech Guild goes on strike

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Post by lolinder »

corndoge wrote: post #13
bwestergard wrote: post #3

I am also a member of the union at NPR, on the subway headed to the picket line in solidarity right now. Happy to answer any questions. I encourage everyone to respect the picket line and get your news elsewhere until the workers get a deal. The Times Workers are holding the line against arbitrary return to office mandates and for Just Cause protections. The vast majority of HN consists of developers, designers, QA,…

They're striking against return to office? I work from home and value it but it never would occur to me to strike for that. I view it as a privilege and not a right. Almost everyone in the world has to go on location for their jobs. I am curious why it is so important to NYT workers in particular that they would strike over it - is there something particularly bad about the location?

I would totally join a strike against RTO if I were in a union or if someone organized one in response. The only other option for me would be to quit and look for another remote job.

I'm not going back to having to bring earmuffs and blast music all day just to have any hope of getting anything done, I'm not starting a commute, and I'm not sacrificing lunches with my kids for some executive's opinion about how I ought to collaborate most effectively.

Re: New York Times Tech Guild goes on strike

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Post by infecto »

Just cause feels like a stretch. Is that common in a lot of employment contracts? Feels like one of those rules that sounds like it could make sense but in reality it does not play out and you get this weird cohort of unproductive employees that you can never get rid of.

Re: New York Times Tech Guild goes on strike

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Post by rsynnott »

7thpower wrote: post #25
bwestergard wrote: post #3

I am also a member of the union at NPR, on the subway headed to the picket line in solidarity right now. Happy to answer any questions. I encourage everyone to respect the picket line and get your news elsewhere until the workers get a deal. The Times Workers are holding the line against arbitrary return to office mandates and for Just Cause protections. The vast majority of HN consists of developers, designers, QA,…

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I mean, unless you're arguing that employers are in some sense entitled to the labour of their employees under terms dictated by the employer, I'm not sure how that works.

Re: New York Times Tech Guild goes on strike

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Post by vijucat »

bwestergard wrote: post #3

I am also a member of the union at NPR, on the subway headed to the picket line in solidarity right now. Happy to answer any questions. I encourage everyone to respect the picket line and get your news elsewhere until the workers get a deal. The Times Workers are holding the line against arbitrary return to office mandates and for Just Cause protections. The vast majority of HN consists of developers, designers, QA,…

Genuine question: what prevents the NYT from offshoring these jobs if they can be done from home? I feel for you, as a fellow worker, but unless there is something hyper-local about the job such as regulatory requirements or trust issues with IP protection, the jobs will go to the ones who work hard without complaining too much.

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Post by aimazon »

johndhi wrote: post #31
bwestergard wrote: post #3

I am also a member of the union at NPR, on the subway headed to the picket line in solidarity right now. Happy to answer any questions. I encourage everyone to respect the picket line and get your news elsewhere until the workers get a deal. The Times Workers are holding the line against arbitrary return to office mandates and for Just Cause protections. The vast majority of HN consists of developers, designers, QA,…

Good luck. I'm curious what you feel about the following: These days news publications generally have a pretty weak business model and a lot of competition. Does it still make sense to have a union in this case? Why?

The NYT is very profitable.

Re: New York Times Tech Guild goes on strike

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Post by mellosouls »

As much as I am a bolshy union member and supporter, this doesn't seem too bad on the surface, the article doesn't make clear what the issues with it are?

Times management said in an email to workers on Sunday that it had offered a 2.5 percent annual wage increase, a minimum 5 percent pay increase for promotions and a $1,000 ratification bonus. It also said that the company would maintain its current in-office work requirements of two days a week through June 2025, while allowing employees to work fully remotely for three weeks per year.

Re: New York Times Tech Guild goes on strike

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Post by randomdata »

bwestergard wrote: post #3

I am also a member of the union at NPR, on the subway headed to the picket line in solidarity right now. Happy to answer any questions. I encourage everyone to respect the picket line and get your news elsewhere until the workers get a deal. The Times Workers are holding the line against arbitrary return to office mandates and for Just Cause protections. The vast majority of HN consists of developers, designers, QA,…

> on the subway headed to the picket line in solidarity right now. [...] are holding the line against arbitrary return to office mandates

Wouldn't you send a stronger message if you picketed at home?

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