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Ghost jobs are wreaking havoc on tech workers

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Re: Ghost jobs are wreaking havoc on tech workers

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Many companies have policies requiring that all jobs have to be posted both internally and externally before being filled. The intent is to prevent Sam the VP from just slotting his buddy into the job. At the end of the day, Sam the VP is just going to slot his buddy into the job but now you made a whole bunch of people apply for a job that was never available to them. Same thing happens with H1B/PERM, except now it'…

H1B has evolved into a bizarre collaborative scam between the government and tech corporations; there is, in fact, a US citizen who can fill any software engineering role a US company has.

Not really. You can't get an expert in most recent European or Asian technology (for example 5G mobile network backbone) in the US.

Re: Ghost jobs are wreaking havoc on tech workers

#42

Many companies have policies requiring that all jobs have to be posted both internally and externally before being filled. The intent is to prevent Sam the VP from just slotting his buddy into the job. At the end of the day, Sam the VP is just going to slot his buddy into the job but now you made a whole bunch of people apply for a job that was never available to them. Same thing happens with H1B/PERM, except now it'…

> The company already has someone doing the job today, but legally they have to post the job and interview a certain number of candidates to prove there is no US citizen that can do it.

Posted obscurely in a corner of the cafeteria, but exposing my salary to anyone who cared to look. They were never going to hire someone else, and we all knew it, but the charade had to be played.

Re: Ghost jobs are wreaking havoc on tech workers

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Don’t use LinkedIn or Monster or Indeed. You’re better off searching on Google with “ inurl:careers” and finding positions these companies are directly hiring for.

I've gotten 2 good jobs directly or indirectly from LinkedIn. I would argue LinkedIn is probably the one site that you absolutely need to be on.

The difference between LinkedIn and other options is that LinkedIn is also a social platform (in a weird, non-interactive way).

So LinkedIn approximates (lots of people), not just (people hoping to get hired). If you're hiring, the former is a more talented pool to hire from.

Re: Ghost jobs are wreaking havoc on tech workers

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This wasn't thought of when false advertising laws were drafted. California:

17500. It is unlawful for any person, firm, corporation or association, or any employee thereof with intent directly or indirectly to dispose of real or personal property or to perform services, professional or otherwise, or anything of any nature whatsoever or to induce the public to enter into any obligation relating thereto, to make or disseminate or cause to be made or disseminated before the public in this state, or to make or disseminate or cause to be made or disseminated from this state before the public in any state, in any newspaper or other publication, or any advertising device, or by public outcry or proclamation, or in any other manner or means whatever, including over the Internet, any statement, concerning that real or personal property or those services, professional or otherwise, or concerning any circumstance or matter of fact connected with the proposed performance or disposition thereof, which is untrue or misleading, and which is known, or which by the exercise of reasonable care should be known, to be untrue or misleading, or for any person, firm, or corporation to so make or disseminate or cause to be so made or disseminated any such statement as part of a plan or scheme with the intent not to sell that personal property or those services, professional or otherwise, so advertised at the price stated therein, or as so advertised. Any violation of the provisions of this section is a misdemeanor punishable by imprisonment in the county jail not exceeding six months, or by a fine not exceeding two thousand five hundred dollars ($2,500), or by both that imprisonment and fine.

The language is broad, but they didn't cover the case of ads where no transaction was even contemplated. This is a bug.

Re: Ghost jobs are wreaking havoc on tech workers

#46
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This should be prosecuted. Section 5 of the Federal Trade Commission Act prohibits “unfair or deceptive acts or practices in or affecting commerce.” Posting ghost jobs is a deceptive act.

I was told earlier this week by an organization > We leave this role posted because it's so critical to our operation and onboard as demand requires, however at this time we don't have enough demand to justify another full time hire.

99% of HR staff will swear till they're blue in the face that's there's nothing wrong with that lol

HR is just PR with a different audience.

Re: Ghost jobs are wreaking havoc on tech workers

#47

Hireing and being hired seem to have devolved into a bilateral spamfest. The more applicants per position, the more applications you need to fill. “Always, always, always put networking as one of the top components of your job search strategy,” This is such a strange advice. It is too late when searching for a job. A 'network' takes year to build.

So, this is the problem. We are doing a Kabuki dance where there is an illusion of good faith and meritocracy, when really, it's just a brutalist labor order book between employers and employees, unless you have a network (which takes years to build and might still prove useless if you can't refer someone into your org because blah blah hiring pipeline that is really just garbage anyway). For example, someone at the…

There is a cost to the employer.

Any smallish 1-2 hour meeting with a couple of people on it can easily cost thousands if you work out people’s hourly wage.

Add on the context-switching costs impacting the rest of their workdays.

Then add the reputational damage among jobseekers - when word gets out that a company is a timewaster, qualified people will be less likely to apply.

Re: Ghost jobs are wreaking havoc on tech workers

#48
Noticed this trend a few years ago from startups keen to look like they were growing much faster than they really were. Personally I wouldn’t begin the process unless an insider had confirmed that a position was a) Real, and b) I would not be disfavoured somehow, meaning that I would be applying on a level playing field.

Re: Ghost jobs are wreaking havoc on tech workers

#49

Just my own experience but I have never gotten a job with a cold application on a job board. Always been via a recruiter or even better an inside contact.

In contrast, I have only once in my career gotten a job via an inside contact. Of the four jobs I've had since school, three of them were with a cold application.

I think my secret is working in a specific niche, but I could be wrong.

Re: Ghost jobs are wreaking havoc on tech workers

#50

Many companies have policies requiring that all jobs have to be posted both internally and externally before being filled. The intent is to prevent Sam the VP from just slotting his buddy into the job. At the end of the day, Sam the VP is just going to slot his buddy into the job but now you made a whole bunch of people apply for a job that was never available to them. Same thing happens with H1B/PERM, except now it'…

H1B has evolved into a bizarre collaborative scam between the government and tech corporations; there is, in fact, a US citizen who can fill any software engineering role a US company has.

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