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Re: China sanctions US drone maker Skydio

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Post by pedroma »

aurareturn wrote: post #22
lazyeye wrote: post #18

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Is this actually true? From what Ive seen and read, the US is constantly demonized in the Chinese media.

The fact that people actually ask this question, shows how people in the west (assuming you are from there) only see China through mainstream media. No offense to you in particular. In China, if you walk around the street in any city, you can see many American brands such as McDonalds, KFC, Starbucks, Microsoft, Apple. American logos are proudly displayed. If you walk into a cafe, you will more often than not, hear A…

I was under the impression there was a large demographic of Chinese who would buy Huawei phones over iPhones because they were Chinese and not American, despite the chip being being a few generations behind an iPhone.

Meaning, there are people in China who are nationalistic, as there are in America. And these have enough of a Chinese over American view they would purchase an arguably worse product for their views.

As for cultural exports, I think America just dominates the world in that regard. If you want to use that as a comparison China would have to have equivalent cultural exports to be a fair point. And as far as I know most people have no qualms with eating Panda Express, PF Changs, or small Chinese takeouts, which is a Chinese cultural export.

>Super clean air, cleaner than most American cities nowadays.

I'm skeptical of that. I'd concede if you provided data but a quick Google search for AQI right now says the worst US city NYC is 54 AQI and Shenzhen is 56. Los Angeles is 33, SF is 19. (source IQAir)

Re: China sanctions US drone maker Skydio

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Post by okasaki »

mitthrowaway2 wrote: post #16
dtquad wrote: post #13

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But how are they going to compete with the huge state-supported battery makers from China?

By state-supporting our own battery makers? Or does the Chinese government have more money than we do?

Will the US government sanction itself then?

Re: China sanctions US drone maker Skydio

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Post by simne »

aurareturn wrote: post #29
simonsarris wrote: post #26

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You mean with DJI? It's not remotely symmetrical. The US does not prohibit DJI from buying US parts to use in their drones. The US do not prohibit US citizens from buying DJI drones. Only the US Dept of Defense is prohibited from buying DJI equipment. The US does this because DJI is considered a Chinese Military Company [1] (nb that DJI disputes this and asked to be removed from the list). China is sanctioning Skydio…

I mean in general, starting with Huawei.

Huawei got sanctions after catch on spy activity.

Who else you know?

Re: China sanctions US drone maker Skydio

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Post by themaninthedark »

aurareturn wrote: post #22
lazyeye wrote: post #18

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Is this actually true? From what Ive seen and read, the US is constantly demonized in the Chinese media.

The fact that people actually ask this question, shows how people in the west (assuming you are from there) only see China through mainstream media. No offense to you in particular. In China, if you walk around the street in any city, you can see many American brands such as McDonalds, KFC, Starbucks, Microsoft, Apple. American logos are proudly displayed. If you walk into a cafe, you will more often than not, hear A…

What do you mean by "everything Chinese will inevitably get the "China bad" treatment."

China is either the 2nd or 3rd largest trading partner of the US. A large amount of our finished consumer good come from there as well are raw industrial inputs. https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_the_largest_trading_pa... https://usafacts.org/articles/who-are-the-uss-top-trade-part...

Re: China sanctions US drone maker Skydio

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Post by riknos314 »

> In order to continue delivering X10s and supporting our customers, we have to take the drastic step of rationing batteries to one per drone. ... We are extending the software license, warranty, and support term for all drones fulfilled with less than a full complement of batteries by the length of time it takes us to deliver all batteries in the kit.

Proactively offering their customers support due to the inconvenience, solid customer service move there.

Re: China sanctions US drone maker Skydio

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Post by kortilla »

aurareturn wrote: post #33
cooper_ganglia wrote: post #27

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People in the US can recognize that the fighting is caused by economic reasons, and surely the average American citizen and the average Chinese citizen don't hold animosity towards each other on a personal level. I think manufacturing jobs moving to China hurt the middle class in the US, and that's caused a disdain for China (and US politicians who push for things like that). But otherwise, I don't think the China rh…

I'm going to disagree on this one. It's not based on my personal observation. I recently read a comment on HN on why this is. The main point of that comment suggested that in a democracy, the government has to convince the public (voters) to hate something before they can justify the action. In China, they don't have do such thing obviously. Therefore, the level of propaganda is not nearly the same.

That’s a false premise. The government in the US does not need popular approval to do things. There isn’t direct voting on any of these actions and pressure on politicians is indirect and very slow for all but extremely egregious actions.

Re: China sanctions US drone maker Skydio

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Post by themaninthedark »

dtquad wrote: post #25
jayyhu wrote: post #7

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Sanction aside, this action is a wake-up call for all US based companies operating in geopolitically sensitive industries that they absolutely need to diversify their supply chain away from China. And in terms of the sanction itself, it’s definitely a reasonable response by China, given the fact that DJI is heavily sanctioned by the US government.

The "sanctions" on DJI are limited to US federal agencies being banned from buying DJI drones. China's move however will be a killing blow to Skydio because China has most likely correctly calculated that US/Western anti-mining sentiments makes it impossible to manufacture batteries. https://dronelife.com/2024/09/10/house-passes-countering-ccp...

The bigger question is what will the US do if China decides to take the same action wrt EV batteries?

Re: China sanctions US drone maker Skydio

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Post by [deleted] »

dtquad wrote: post #25
jayyhu wrote: post #7

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Sanction aside, this action is a wake-up call for all US based companies operating in geopolitically sensitive industries that they absolutely need to diversify their supply chain away from China. And in terms of the sanction itself, it’s definitely a reasonable response by China, given the fact that DJI is heavily sanctioned by the US government.

The "sanctions" on DJI are limited to US federal agencies being banned from buying DJI drones. China's move however will be a killing blow to Skydio because China has most likely correctly calculated that US/Western anti-mining sentiments makes it impossible to manufacture batteries. https://dronelife.com/2024/09/10/house-passes-countering-ccp...

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Re: China sanctions US drone maker Skydio

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Post by kortilla »

jayyhu wrote: post #7
aenopix wrote: post #2

Sanction for sanction, simple as that. Western countries like to sanction the shit out of China, but they don't like it when then they do it?

Sanction aside, this action is a wake-up call for all US based companies operating in geopolitically sensitive industries that they absolutely need to diversify their supply chain away from China. And in terms of the sanction itself, it’s definitely a reasonable response by China, given the fact that DJI is heavily sanctioned by the US government.

DJI has extremely light sanctions. I can still buy them in the stores in the US. If they were heavily sanctioned by the government, this would not be possible.
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