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Nope. Don't want to be on surveillance lists, even with an anon account. Was researched in the 80s, before we knew enough about the antibody side to make a good go of it. then dropped for obvious reasons (it didn't work which makes sense in retrospect given the crude conjugation strategy plus the restrictedness of the warhead side). That's all I'll say. Probably enough info for you to figure it out if you're smart. D…
Your paranoia is not justified. merely mentioned potential treatments (even ethically questionable ones) does not get you on any "watchlists". Just say what it is you're referring to, or don't mention it at all.
Antibody Drug Conjugates: A frontier in cancer treatment
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Re: Antibody Drug Conjugates: A frontier in cancer treatment
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Your paranoia is not justified. merely mentioned potential treatments (even ethically questionable ones) does not get you on any "watchlists". Just say what it is you're referring to, or don't mention it at all.
I will do this for you. List 20 compounds surveiled by the US government for potential association with terrorist groups in a comment under your account below this comment and I will answer yes/no if it is in the group as a whole.
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Funding is the essence of scarcity. Funding one thing means those money will not be funding anything else. But you're free to be content with countless minor variations on existing treatments [0]. Curing cancers will require an actual breakthrough. [0] https://duckduckgo.com/?q=capitalism+breeds+innovation&t=fts...
Total funding for all human activities is scarce, but can go to anything. Money spent on video games could instead be used to fund cancer research. Thus the percentage of that funding going to medicine isn’t fixed. We essentially spend extra money on this kind of research rather than diverting cancer funding to look for new pain medications. Further, people with sage IV cancer really have benefitted from better pain…
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I will do this for you. List 20 compounds surveiled by the US government for potential association with terrorist groups in a comment under your account below this comment and I will answer yes/no if it is in the group as a whole.
Merely mentioning illegal/regulated drugs does not get you on a watch list. Answering yes/no to a list does not protect you. I will not continue to engage.
Re: Antibody Drug Conjugates: A frontier in cancer treatment
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Total funding for all human activities is scarce, but can go to anything. Money spent on video games could instead be used to fund cancer research. Thus the percentage of that funding going to medicine isn’t fixed. We essentially spend extra money on this kind of research rather than diverting cancer funding to look for new pain medications. Further, people with sage IV cancer really have benefitted from better pain…
Progress is exponential. So looking in the past and saying we should be content with a 90% improvement is misleading, because it is dwarfed by how much more potential there is.
The free ride feedback loop is ending very soon.
Re: Antibody Drug Conjugates: A frontier in cancer treatment
#46My wife, now deceased from MBC, took two ADCs that had the same payload (chemo) but two different antibody signatures. The first one did great for about 3 months. The second one failed, major progression. But the conclusion was still unknown, what information did that give us? Was it the cancer rejecting the antibody or mutating to overcome the chemo effects? Tools we need (large scale): - how can we identify when th…
It can be a cancer mutating. It can be the cancer not mutating (occurs after drug given) but is mutated (mutation occurred already). We have a population of a billion cancer cells. Treat with drug. 999 million die, 1 million survive because they had that mutation conferring "fitness" i.e. resistance to drug. three months later, we have a billion cancer cells again, descended from the 1 million cells. Now those billion cells also get the next line of therapy. 999 million die, 1 million survive. 3 months later, those 1 million are now a billion again. And so on. Point being, I'd think of it more as a selection mechanism as Darwin taught us, not the cancer automatically generating a resistance mutation - the blind watchmaker. In this case there was probably a mutation changing or downregulating the antibody target, probably HER2 or something related.
I don't know what "rejecting the antibody" means. You would need to look up the ADME to understand physiology and think about how the cancer might modulate that.
All this talk of "oh how do we catch these mutations".. ... ... there are a few dozen companies that will tell you what mutations are there straight up, just from the blood. From the tumor, any hospital can tell you all the mutations. The problem isn't that we don't know. We can tell you the mutations. We can tell you the new mutations. So we find 100 mutations let's say. Okay. Next question, for each of the 100 mutations, does it cause resistance, yes or no? Do two of them together cause resistance? Are they from the same cell, they could be from distinct tumor lineages. You know most of the mutations are what are called "passenger mutations" right? Red herrings.
So this is the pathology of computer scientists. "If only a clever programmer took a crack at this, these biologists what with their humanities style miasmas and rote memorization topical field". Many have in fact... Bioinformatics goes as far back as the 1970s I'd say if not further. And that clever programmer did find all the mutations. Did a great job. Pretty well developed. Then you say "ah let us understand what the mutation does!" Okay. So now you're taking a subset of the broader field of genomic variation and computationally deriving how that variant influences trillions of different cells interacting with an antibody protein with a chemical bound to it. Congrats, if you're such a "clever programmer" than by solving this, you've solved life itself! Basically this notion is "this looks easy, what is this, like the 3-SAT problem, figure if someone was clever enough to take a crack at it then that would solve this whole 3-SAT issue!" completely blind to the fact that it's just as hard (and the same) as proving P=NP. So if you ARE a hardcore clever programmer, then this rabbit hole goes as deep if not deeper than P=NP, and the cancer will humble you, as this is what cancer does, to humble.
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Or it looks like someone suffering from the effects of healthcare treatment of loved relatives, looking for connections and a narrative that fits what happened to a tragic event. Within that cynical diatribe lies a narrative that resonates with some. That narrative can be boiled down to: Profit in patient treatments produces perverse effects. It's an alignment problem, where profit aligns to treatment over cures (a m…
In other news: hunger is caused by farmers.
The farmer is relatively aligned financially with feeding people by comparison: they are paid money to grow food...
I don't understand your point or comparison.