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Re: We're forking Flutter

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Post by pzo »

punduk wrote: post #27
eseidel wrote: post #24

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Flutter founder here. When I led the Google team we had pretty good analytics. `flutter` was for a long time opt-out with analytics and would phone home to Google and report usage. We filtered out docker containers and things that looked like CI and saw usage near 1M monthly actives when I left Google a couple years ago. I'm sure it's up since then. There are 10s of millions of web developers in the world. Doesn't sh…

Are there any statistics on how much of it is used in production?

If there would be 1M flutter devs per year and on average team had 10 devs (rather rare most mobile teams would be smaller except really big apps) and development of app would take ~1 year you would expect minimum 100k new flutter apps in app store every year. That seems highly unlikely.

Re: We're forking Flutter

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Post by vivekd »

markus_zhang wrote: post #28
rubiquity wrote: post #7

They estimate there are one million Flutter developers/users. Have I been sleeping under a rock?

It's possible that they also count students and amateurs such as me, who only used it in a small project never published. There could be a million I guess, but professional developers are probably a lot less.

I think this is a strong possibility. For example, I don't work in programing and don't intend to ever work in the field. I do it as a hobby. I downloaded flutter, played around with it for a few weekends and decided it wasn't for me. If you go solely by number of downloads I would be counted as a 'flutter developer'

Re: We're forking Flutter

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Post by eseidel »

punduk wrote: post #27
eseidel wrote: post #24

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Flutter founder here. When I led the Google team we had pretty good analytics. `flutter` was for a long time opt-out with analytics and would phone home to Google and report usage. We filtered out docker containers and things that looked like CI and saw usage near 1M monthly actives when I left Google a couple years ago. I'm sure it's up since then. There are 10s of millions of web developers in the world. Doesn't sh…

Are there any statistics on how much of it is used in production?

https://flutter.dev/showcase has a few examples. Flutter is everywhere at this point. TikTok in China (Douyin), PUBG Mobile, MGM Resorts, eBay Motors, Kijiji.com, Grab are a few off the top of my head. And of course a whole bunch of Google apps (GPay, Earth, Classroom, etc.), Toyota cars, LG TVs, Google's own hardware devices, etc. Tonal is probably the app I used most often that's Flutter. Caribou Coffee, Betterment, Norwegian Cruise Lines, NuBank, Realtor.com are other random apps I've used that are Flutter.

Re: We're forking Flutter

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Post by punduk »

pzo wrote: post #41
punduk wrote: post #27

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Are there any statistics on how much of it is used in production?

If there would be 1M flutter devs per year and on average team had 10 devs (rather rare most mobile teams would be smaller except really big apps) and development of app would take ~1 year you would expect minimum 100k new flutter apps in app store every year. That seems highly unlikely.

I agree. Flutter is a project I like, but the numbers given regarding statistics remind me of this video https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=A-RfHC91Ewc

Re: We're forking Flutter

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Post by hinkley »

maxrmk wrote: post #30

> That's 50 people serving the needs of 1,000,000. Doing a little bit of division, that means that every single member of the Flutter team is responsible for the needs of 20,000 Flutter developers! That ratio is clearly unworkable for any semblance of customer support. Back when I worked on .net we had fewer than 50 people maintaining a product that shipped to over a billion machines. If you opened an issue on github…

50 developers can do an awful lot - if they aren’t trapped in a feature factory environment.

The constant pressure to ship new features instead of only widely desired features overtaxes a team quickly.

Re: We're forking Flutter

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Post by spwa4 »

mvac wrote: post #13
normie3000 wrote: post #5

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> There have been similar projects based on technologies that Microsoft has killed Isn't flutter from google?

Yes, it is. I was just thinking about what happened when other companies did something similar.

Didn't Google suddenly kill GWT, which is a bit like flutter?

Re: We're forking Flutter

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Post by eseidel »

sgt wrote: post #26

Key statement: "As Flock ships important bug fixes and features, the Flutter team can then choose to add those to Flutter, on their schedule. " I see a lot of negative comments but I think this will be a net positive over time to the Flutter community and to the technology itself. I think it will also give Google a reality check on the needs of the community.

Flutter Founder here. I'm very pro open-source, and pro taking-action, so hopefully good things will come out of it. I think this particular author is mostly stirring up a bunch of noise and does not represent a significant chunk of the community, but we'll see. :shrug:

Re: We're forking Flutter

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Post by kgeist »

maxrmk wrote: post #30

> That's 50 people serving the needs of 1,000,000. Doing a little bit of division, that means that every single member of the Flutter team is responsible for the needs of 20,000 Flutter developers! That ratio is clearly unworkable for any semblance of customer support. Back when I worked on .net we had fewer than 50 people maintaining a product that shipped to over a billion machines. If you opened an issue on github…

WhatsApp once had just 50 engineers with 900M users: https://www.wired.com/2015/09/whatsapp-serves-900-million-us...
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