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Re: Scythe Works Without Borders

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Well, with a sickle you hold what you cut, and then you bind it together, so the grain doesn't fall on the ground. With a scythe you will have to somehow pick it up and organize in such a way that you can later collect it (without much dirt stuck to it etc.) NB. In high-school, I worked one summer cleaning and otherwise maintaining the local after-school building. It had a huge lawn behind it, which I had to trim wit…

It’s quite common to use a scythe with a “cradle” when cutting grain. Scythes are amazing for cutting on an incline. You need to work along the incline, not down the incline, and will take shorter strokes.

Pretty sure the farmer who spooked us knew how to do that too. It's just an example of how someone who, even though had some experience with the tool, still didn't know how to use it in a novel context.

Re: Scythe Works Without Borders

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Well, with a sickle you hold what you cut, and then you bind it together, so the grain doesn't fall on the ground. With a scythe you will have to somehow pick it up and organize in such a way that you can later collect it (without much dirt stuck to it etc.) NB. In high-school, I worked one summer cleaning and otherwise maintaining the local after-school building. It had a huge lawn behind it, which I had to trim wit…

A high speed processor And lidar with digital blade angle control will probably make it work effortlessly on an incline too.

But what about wearing a red checkered flannel shirt with a denim overall? Rolling up your sleeves, sweating like hell and working yourself into exhaustion to come back to your tent at the nightfall and bake potatoes and fish underneath a campfire?

You just took away all the fun from the process :)

Re: Scythe Works Without Borders

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A good scythe is faster then a weed-wacker but slower then a lawnmower. I have been using a scythe to cut my lawn for a few years now. It works, and is fun, but you must keep it VERY sharp. If the scythe is not razor sharp it will simply push the grass over instead of cutting it. A sickle will still work when somewhat dull, because it gathers the grass into the concave bit and/or you can hold on the grass with one ha…

> It works, and is fun, but you must keep it VERY sharp

It's also immensely more relaxing than the alternative, extremely sustainable and a pretty good workout

Re: Scythe Works Without Borders

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A good scythe is faster then a weed-wacker but slower then a lawnmower. I have been using a scythe to cut my lawn for a few years now. It works, and is fun, but you must keep it VERY sharp. If the scythe is not razor sharp it will simply push the grass over instead of cutting it. A sickle will still work when somewhat dull, because it gathers the grass into the concave bit and/or you can hold on the grass with one ha…

> The sharpening process takes some practice to get good at, particularly if you start peening it as well. I wish someone invented an easier and safer way to sharpen a scythe. If you make an error, it's pretty easy to cut yourself pretty deeply, and even cut into finger joints (did it one time, cut was deep but so clean it healed essentially in a day). "Dull" scythe is still as sharp as your average knife. Sharp scyt…

I agree, I have cut myself a few times as well. The awkward way you have to hold the scythe while you sharpen it does not help.

One thing you might try is an oval-shaped diamond coated sharpening rod. The handle keeps your fingers safer.

Re: Scythe Works Without Borders

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You can absolutely jump economic steps. Many countries never got wide deployment of wired telephones, and never will. They skipped right to wide deployment of mobile phones. Many of those same countries skipped right past desktop computers in every home and laptops to replace desktops and have gone straight from limited computer access to the mobile phone replaces desktop computers. You certainly don't need to hit al…

By economic steps I meant you have to generate enough capital to afford tractors. This is a good stepping stone.

Those with excess capital could just, like, give them the tractors.

Re: Scythe Works Without Borders

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The Future is already here, it's just unevenly distributed. William Gibson What is the skill tree of development, and how do we speed run it?

The skill tree depends on awful lot on what you care about, and don't assume that western "high tech" solutions are the best, because they're the most complicated. From a "Built out of locally available resources, with minimum energy, and robust repairability," it's hard to beat a scythe or other similar tool. And I guarantee a well built scythe will still work, if tolerably cared for, long past the last of our over-…

Personally I like to imagine that the part of the skill tree that involves software locking based on external servers is a side branch, not the max height of the trunk.

Re: Scythe Works Without Borders

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A good scythe is faster then a weed-wacker but slower then a lawnmower. I have been using a scythe to cut my lawn for a few years now. It works, and is fun, but you must keep it VERY sharp. If the scythe is not razor sharp it will simply push the grass over instead of cutting it. A sickle will still work when somewhat dull, because it gathers the grass into the concave bit and/or you can hold on the grass with one ha…

I spent last year in an off-grid home and had to care for three acres of unmaintained pasture filled with patchy and matted fescue. I used nothing but a European-style scythe to do so. I actually wished I had had more pasture to care for because of how deeply satisfying and meaningful it was to do.

For example, it's one thing to have an idea of the Grim Reaper, but it's another to viscerally experience the reality of what a scythe does to grasses. Thousands of beings anonymously ended, their lives cut short.

Re: Scythe Works Without Borders

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"If you already have a bunch of people doing back-breaking labor, do not even think about giving them efficient machines"

Working in the field is difficult, yes, but the western world still hasn't figured out an answer to the question "what happens when we run out of dead dinosaurs[1] to eat?". Until it has, any idea to not exacerbate the problem until we figure it out is, in my mind, a good idea. [1]: fossil fuels, with poetic license

The world has figured out how to feed the world without the looming threat of starvation common in subsistence farming

Re: Scythe Works Without Borders

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"If you already have a bunch of people doing back-breaking labor, do not even think about giving them efficient machines"

"Efficient" in terms of what outputs, for what inputs? You can't just handwave the term as a synonym for "I think it's better!" - it actually does imply inputs, outputs, and depending on what you want to optimize for, you may get very different results. If a scythe is genuinely better for the job than a sickle, great! But in a country without a lot of infrastructure and without modern supply chains, I'm pretty sure a…

There are very few, of any, countries without "modern supply chains".

Re: Scythe Works Without Borders

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I mean it's an interesting idea, but it's weird to imagine that small time farmers in poor countries are capable of obtaining and using a sickle but are somehow not capable of obtaining and using a scythe. At least looking for ones here in the US, a decent quality sickle seems to run in the $30-$60 range while places that sell scythes seem to cost $100-$300, so I can't imagine it's some massive price barrier either

Some insight here.

I have spent a sizable portion of my time in developing nations.

There are deep rooted cultural differences that sometimes are counterintuitive to westerners.

One of the great strengths of some memetic frameworks is the easy and rapid adoption of processes and technologies that lower effort or raise efficiency.

As a result these cultures are also subject to rapid change on many fronts, and may become unrecognizable in just a few decades. These dynamic cultures thrive in name only, since they are not really the same memetic creature after a scant few generations.

As a note in the margin, the aforementioned, production oriented cultures often have a history of large scale wars, conquest and often colonization. War is a strong filter for valuing efficiency over other considerations.

Other memetic frameworks endure by virtue of valuing tradition and communal experience with past generations. These cultures change slowly, as their value structures resist change. This type of memetic symbiant has other kinds of value to humanity that are not measured in GDP or other economic metrics.

As an example, let me describe a common scenario that I have personally experienced multiple times:

Happening upon a person apparently having difficulty with a task, I show them a “better” way that stems from my cultural experiences. Usually, they are receptive and enthusiastic about the “new” way, which they themselves demonstrate as “better”.

Later, I may happen upon the same person doing the same task, in the “old” way. When I ask them why, they say something along the lines of “because it’s the way my father and his father did it”.

At first, I found this vexing. Now I understand that in these cultures, doing it in the “new” way was a fundamentally distinct action, which removed the meaning from the task. The original method was valued because it was communing with their family and heritage. The new method was effective but lacked a sense of meaning, effectively making it a hollow act in some way that I will probably never understand even though I can see.

Only when productivity is a goal unto itself is “progress” intrinsically valued. Not all cultures value productivity in the same way. In some cultures, being able to do something difficult at high proficiency is much more valued than being able to achieve the same outcome using a different method with much greater productivity.

This is visible in nearly all cultures in sport. Sport is typified by rules that make a trivial task difficult, and useful innovations using technology are typically frowned upon.

The skill of the difficult task is valued for its difficulty, as well as its ties to tradition and the way it is woven into the memetic tapestry.

As an oversimplified and caricatured example: Someone who can harvest a dozen animals in a day with a sling is a great hunter and respected provider. His brother that can do that in half an hour with his 22 rifle is a slacker who doesn’t respect his ancestors or the spirits of the forest.

I’m not trying to say that these cultures are retrograde or immune to progress. Rather they are not perpetually looking for new and better solutions with the same enthusiasm that some people might expect, and the innovators within their communities may encounter a degree of social friction that many people might find counterintuitive.

Adoption of new processes in these cultures often springs up but reverts to its prior state when even a minor friction to continuing adoption is encountered. The benefits often need to meet a surprisingly high bar for an innovation to be sticky.

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