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Re: Google Service Drops Support for Opera

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Post by cooldeal » Tue, Jul 03, 2012, 8:16 PM UTC

TazeTSchnitzel wrote: post #39

recoiledsnake wrote: post #32

When I do web development, I test in Opera at the very end after I have fixed all issues in IE, Firefox, Chrome and Safari and guess what? I never had to make one tweak for Opera. Ever. Opera has almost a religious focus on coding to standards. While I bet there are specific issues with implementation, whatever happened to the concept of coding to the standard and let browsers do their work? Do Blogger features reall…

Hmm. Opera didn't support CSS 3D Transforms last time I checked. Maybe that's changed, but it's disappointing nonetheless.

Why would something like the administration pages for Google Blogger need CSS 3D transforms?

Re: Google Service Drops Support for Opera

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Post by jarek » Tue, Jul 03, 2012, 8:23 PM UTC

tomjen3 wrote: post #21

azakai wrote: post #17

Earlier quoted context omitted.

> While Google has the resources to support Opera, it's not financially prudent to dedicate them to support a browser that barely has any market share. Really? How much do you think it costs to make Blogger work on Opera?

Including testing, support, development, translation into various languages, overhead, meetings when fixes conflicts? I would shoot at an average of 100k per feature. Plus more in the future to keep the support when they add new features.

What would need translating for code improvements? They're forcing themselves to do more translating by showing a "not supported" message.

Re: Google Service Drops Support for Opera

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Post by jarek » Tue, Jul 03, 2012, 8:24 PM UTC

jonknee wrote: post #25

Yarnage wrote: post #8

I love Opera; it's incredibly fast (until the past few years Opera was king of the JavaScript speed) and very standards compliant. I hope this doesn't become a trend.

As long as it's standards compliant, it shouldn't be too bad of an experience.

You can support all the standards you want but it won't help you if the server sends you a gimped page because your user agent string doesn't contain "Webkit."

Re: Google Service Drops Support for Opera

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Post by TazeTSchnitzel » Tue, Jul 03, 2012, 8:27 PM UTC

cooldeal wrote: post #41

TazeTSchnitzel wrote: post #39

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Hmm. Opera didn't support CSS 3D Transforms last time I checked. Maybe that's changed, but it's disappointing nonetheless.

Why would something like the administration pages for Google Blogger need CSS 3D transforms?

They wouldn't, this is a personal gripe.

(although I guess they might use it for transitions?)

Re: Google Service Drops Support for Opera

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Post by voxx » Tue, Jul 03, 2012, 8:43 PM UTC

It's been this way for a long time. Opera is such a fantastic browser, it's a shame to see giants like Google turn their backs to it for whatever reason.

Re: Google Service Drops Support for Opera

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Post by praxulus » Tue, Jul 03, 2012, 9:03 PM UTC

bulibuta wrote: post #28

I see a lot of posts here make fun of opera. Just a gentle reminder: they are the ones that invented tabs among other things.

"Four years later, in 1994, BookLink Technologies featured tabbed windows in its InternetWorks browser... These were followed by a number of others like IBrowse in 1999, and Opera in 2000"

Re: Google Service Drops Support for Opera

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Post by jbeammm » Tue, Jul 03, 2012, 9:05 PM UTC

Google is pushing all other browsers out of their way. How is this not evil?

Re: Google Service Drops Support for Opera

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Post by godDLL » Tue, Jul 03, 2012, 9:10 PM UTC

giZm0 wrote: post #2

"They’re not exactly forcing Blogger users who currently run Opera to migrate to Chrome, but they are making Opera untenable, and suggesting Chrome in its placev" I have also had this feeling that Google is trying to monopolize the web. Hopefully this is only a misstep or my paranoia. Chrome is very nice browser, but so is also Opera!

Is it routine for you to have `feelings` about Google, or what it's trying giZm0? We don't usually share feelings on in this forum.

Re: Google Service Drops Support for Opera

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Post by Karunamon » Tue, Jul 03, 2012, 9:14 PM UTC

>I get the sense that this could be the thin end of a wedge

sigh

Can Google do nothing without invoking the "evil slippery slope"?

Re: Google Service Drops Support for Opera

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Post by Zenst » Tue, Jul 03, 2012, 9:19 PM UTC

Worry given of all the browsers Opera has been the most standards compliant. No reason why Google can't support it as by supporting other browsers they supoprt Opera and with that if you change the browser ID then it just works - funny that.

I Have noticed that Facebook have been bashing google indirectly and directly and maybe Opera are deemed part of Facebook now for some reason and got dragged into this.

I have also noticed the google search landing page having below in effect adverts for there new products https://www.google.co.uk/ gives me the line below with link to buy a chromebook "From zero to online in seconds. Introducing the new Chromebook" - same results nomatter what browser I use.

Not sure if Facebook have purchased Opera and google got wind of it and acting all evil or if it is a gross oversight. Either way something smells.