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California Discourages Schools from Offering Advanced Middle School Math (2023)

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Re: California Discourages Schools from Offering Advanced Middle School Math (2023)

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Earlier quoted context omitted.

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When was that decided? By who? This game of constantly changing definitions and deciding who can and cannot say what is the hallmark of a tyrannical psuedo-religious ideology that cannot tolerate dissent because its results cannot bear scrutiny.

Words mean things bro. There’s nothing remotely “socialist” about any American political party.

Re: California Discourages Schools from Offering Advanced Middle School Math (2023)

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post #27

Earlier quoted context omitted.

> inadequate public schools invariably increase achievement gaps between socioeconomic classes. or maybe the people with education and resources decide to volunteer and fix their own community? if all of the greedy, self-interested, disengaged people decide to leave, how is that not an improvement?

>or maybe the people with education and resources decide to volunteer and fix their own community? The prototypical wealthy person is a small business owner or a well paid professional/executive. It's likely that they're very busy, and the prospect of them spending Wednesday afternoons volunteering at their schools is... unlikely. >if all of the greedy, self-interested, disengaged people decide to leave, how is that…

In this case less wealthy are worth the same in terms of headcount. The only advantage wealthy have from a tax perspective is if they move and pay property tax elsewhere

Re: California Discourages Schools from Offering Advanced Middle School Math (2023)

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> Under the CMF, Conrad wrote, California schools are encouraged, but not required, to delay Algebra I until ninth grade— Where in the framework is this? The closest I can find to this is a reference in the high school section of the framework referencing a time in the last when California schools did more to push students to accelerate courses in middle school than they do currently, and negative research about abou…

Remember the approved version of the framework was changed significantly to fix many of the shortcomings Brian raised after reading earlier drafts. And he authored a chapter that was incorporated before approval.

So some of his prior criticisms no longer apply.

Re: California Discourages Schools from Offering Advanced Middle School Math (2023)

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I wanted to do further maths in my own time but my school wouldn’t let me. But then all the top universities entrance exams required further maths to even understand the questions.

How did they prevent you from studying in your own time?

They could prevent you from taking further maths exams at school. But not taking those exams wouldn't prevent you from using the knowledge and skills for other things, like university entrance exams.

Re: California Discourages Schools from Offering Advanced Middle School Math (2023)

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> However, rather than helping marginalized students, these policies deny educational opportunities for gifted students of all backgrounds. It's worse than that—if public schools don't offer the kinds of advanced courses that wealthy parents expect their kids to have, the wealthy parents don't just shrug and say oh well. They pull them out of public school and put them into private school or homeschool or get them a…

In much of Latin America that's exactly what happens. The public schools are generally horrible and upper middle class and upper-class families simply put their kids in private schools. Public schools are not an option for these families, so they don't support government policies that aim to invest in the failing schools - a vicious cycle that led to the virtual destruction of the public education system.

Re: California Discourages Schools from Offering Advanced Middle School Math (2023)

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post #34

One problem with the Left in general is they tend to try and equalize humanity by dragging people down instead of raising people up. California could just as easily say "how do we get more underprivileged kids into advanced math?" and implement a multi-year effort across grades and schools. But that would be work...and against union contracts. Instead, just drop the subjects.

Dragging down is human nature. When optimizing metrics is always easier to push down than up

So that's why we need to describe the problem as dealing with poverty instead of income inequality. You solve income inequality by dragging the top down. You fix poverty by bringing the bottom up
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