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Re: Getting Called "Paid Actor" by Linus Torvalds

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Post by lostmsu » Fri, Oct 25, 2024, 4:15 AM UTC

fuoqi wrote: post #21

legitster wrote: post #20

If I understand correctly, this blogger wasn't a maintainer or directly involved, he's just personally upset on behalf of anyone whose feelings were hurt by being accused of being a Russian bot? Or have been "riled up by them"?

No, he is a direct participant in the cited discussion.

He is a random blogger with an email and a liar though. He claimed Linus called him "paid actor", but Linus did not.

Re: Getting Called "Paid Actor" by Linus Torvalds

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Post by me_me_me » Fri, Oct 25, 2024, 10:57 AM UTC

johnea wrote: post #38

"Getting called "Paid Actor" by Linus Torvalds" Sounds like a resume line item to me 8-) At least its more sophisticated than calling someone a "wanking walrus", or saying they should have been aborted. Jokes aside though, this whole situation is very disturbing. One would hope that free software developers would be more aware than to equate the identity and actions of a nation state with the identity of each and eve…

> From another, completely different argument, when there is conflict, cutting off communications with the conflicting party is counterproductive, e.g. barring Russians from chess tournaments, scientific conferences, etc.

Communication and taking part in international events are two different things.

Ambassadors should talk, but when you started a hot war of aggression there is no space for inclusion of athletes etc in international events.

In this particular case, there were already many Ukrainian athletes that were killed on the frontlines while Russian ones are to be allowed to compete and promote their flag... I dont think so.

Re: Getting Called "Paid Actor" by Linus Torvalds

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Post by d_milivojevic » Sun, Oct 27, 2024, 10:30 PM UTC

cr125rider wrote: post #25

doe_eyes wrote: post #5

I think Linus has short temper and there are examples of his remarks that are borderline toxic (or cross the line), but this really isn't one of them. The situation is pretty clear and calmly explained by Linus in the quoted messages. They removed contributors from Russia. The main reason is that they were told by a lawyer that they need to do this due to international sanctions. The secondary reason appears to be th…

Linus is a Finn. They have their own bloody history with Russian occupation. I can see how that would run deep. It certainly does, and rightfully so, in Finnish culture as a whole.

So it's fine to be a racist if you hold historical grievances? Let me give you a clue: a Fin has no high moral ground when it comes to WWII, they were Nazi allies that had "work camps" where the death toll was on par with some Nazi death camps.

Re: Getting Called "Paid Actor" by Linus Torvalds

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Post by amiga386 » Tue, Oct 29, 2024, 12:07 PM UTC

lostmsu wrote: post #41

fuoqi wrote: post #21

Earlier quoted context omitted.

No, he is a direct participant in the cited discussion.

He is a random blogger with an email and a liar though. He claimed Linus called him "paid actor", but Linus did not.

Linus said of anyone who disagreed with his approach and wanted to have dialogue (such as this guy) that they are "random internet people who I seriously suspect are paid actors and/or have been riled up by them."

That's multiple levels of insinuation and weasel words but does allege that this guy is a "paid actor"... any anyone else who disagrees with Linus. He doesn't even acknowledge random internet people that have been riled up not by "paid actors" but by his own boneheaded approach to this issue, and are directing their criticism at him in the hopes he and his organisation will do better next time. Linus being Linus.