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US probes Tesla's Full Self-Driving software after fatal crash

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Re: US probes Tesla's Full Self-Driving software after fatal crash

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Will the review assess overall mortality of the vehicles compared to similar cars, and overall mortality while FSD is in use?

No, that is not part of a review. They may use some reference aggregated industry data, but it's out of scope to answwer the question I think you're trying to imply.

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> NHTSA said it was opening the inquiry after four reports of crashes where FSD was engaged during reduced roadway visibility like sun glare, fog, or airborne dust. A pedestrian was killed in Rimrock, Arizona, in November 2023 after being struck by a 2021 Tesla Model Y, NHTSA said. Another crash under investigation involved a reported injury > The probe covers 2016-2024 Model S and X vehicles with the optional system…

Did you scale your numbers in proportion of miles driven autonomously vs manually?

Re: US probes Tesla's Full Self-Driving software after fatal crash

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> NHTSA said it was opening the inquiry after four reports of crashes where FSD was engaged during reduced roadway visibility like sun glare, fog, or airborne dust. A pedestrian was killed in Rimrock, Arizona, in November 2023 after being struck by a 2021 Tesla Model Y, NHTSA said. Another crash under investigation involved a reported injury > The probe covers 2016-2024 Model S and X vehicles with the optional system…

Those numbers aren't all the fatalities associated with tesla cars; IE, you can't compare the 45K/year (roughly 1 per 100M miles driven) to the limited number of reports.

What they are looking for is whether there are systematic issues with the design and implementation that make it unsafe.

Re: US probes Tesla's Full Self-Driving software after fatal crash

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> NHTSA said it was opening the inquiry after four reports of crashes where FSD was engaged during reduced roadway visibility like sun glare, fog, or airborne dust. A pedestrian was killed in Rimrock, Arizona, in November 2023 after being struck by a 2021 Tesla Model Y, NHTSA said. Another crash under investigation involved a reported injury > The probe covers 2016-2024 Model S and X vehicles with the optional system…

> The agency is asking if other similar FSD crashes have occurred in reduced roadway visibility conditions, and if Tesla has updated or modified the FSD system in a way that may affect it in such conditions.

Those four crashes are just the ones that sparked the investigation.

Re: US probes Tesla's Full Self-Driving software after fatal crash

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> NHTSA said it was opening the inquiry after four reports of crashes where FSD was engaged during reduced roadway visibility like sun glare, fog, or airborne dust. A pedestrian was killed in Rimrock, Arizona, in November 2023 after being struck by a 2021 Tesla Model Y, NHTSA said. Another crash under investigation involved a reported injury > The probe covers 2016-2024 Model S and X vehicles with the optional system…

I don't agree with this comparison. The drivers are licensed, they have met a specific set of criteria to drive on public roads. The software is not.

We are not sure when FSD is engaged with all of these miles driven, and if FSD is making mistakes a licensed human driver would not. I would at the very least expect radical transparency.

Re: US probes Tesla's Full Self-Driving software after fatal crash

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> NHTSA said it was opening the inquiry after four reports of crashes where FSD was engaged during reduced roadway visibility like sun glare, fog, or airborne dust. A pedestrian was killed in Rimrock, Arizona, in November 2023 after being struck by a 2021 Tesla Model Y, NHTSA said. Another crash under investigation involved a reported injury > The probe covers 2016-2024 Model S and X vehicles with the optional system…

Did you scale your numbers in proportion of miles driven autonomously vs manually?

Yeah, that’d be the interesting figure: How many deaths per million miles driven? How does Tesla’s full self driving stack up against human drivers?

Re: US probes Tesla's Full Self-Driving software after fatal crash

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My Tesla routinely tries to kill me on absolutely normal California roads in normal sunny conditions, especially when there are cars parked on the side of the road (it often brakes thinking I'm about to crash into them, or even swerves into them thinking that's the "real" lane).

Elon's Unsupervised FSD dreams are a good bit off. I do hope they happen though.

Re: US probes Tesla's Full Self-Driving software after fatal crash

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post #43

> NHTSA said it was opening the inquiry after four reports of crashes where FSD was engaged during reduced roadway visibility like sun glare, fog, or airborne dust. A pedestrian was killed in Rimrock, Arizona, in November 2023 after being struck by a 2021 Tesla Model Y, NHTSA said. Another crash under investigation involved a reported injury > The probe covers 2016-2024 Model S and X vehicles with the optional system…

Those numbers aren't all the fatalities associated with tesla cars; IE, you can't compare the 45K/year (roughly 1 per 100M miles driven) to the limited number of reports. What they are looking for is whether there are systematic issues with the design and implementation that make it unsafe.

Unsafe relative to what?

Certainly not to normal human drivers in normal cars. Those are killing people left and right.

Re: US probes Tesla's Full Self-Driving software after fatal crash

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post #47

My Tesla routinely tries to kill me on absolutely normal California roads in normal sunny conditions, especially when there are cars parked on the side of the road (it often brakes thinking I'm about to crash into them, or even swerves into them thinking that's the "real" lane). Elon's Unsupervised FSD dreams are a good bit off. I do hope they happen though.

Why do you drive a car that routinely tries to kill you? That would put me right off. Can't you just turn off the autopilot?
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