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Impact of early life adversity on reward processing in young adults (2014)

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Re: Impact of early life adversity on reward processing in young adults (2014)

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Post by airstrike »

FrustratedMonky wrote: post #35
airstrike wrote: post #25

Earlier quoted context omitted.

It does mean that not all of the body's behavior can be explained by blood pressure. Emergent properties are not necessarily addressable (or describable, in the case of the OP) at the underlying level.

People used to think an Atom was the smallest particle, then they found Protons/Electrons etc.., then they found quarks. The brain is complicated, that doesn't mean we can't measure it and try and understand it. Right now people are just 'It's impossible, it must be a soul, or something mystical' how else could it be the way it is?

> Right now people are just 'It's impossible, it must be a soul, or something mystical' how else could it be the way it is?

I haven't argued that at all and I'm not saying we can't measure it and understand it. I'm saying reducing it to "just chemicals" is missing the forest for the trees and goes against understanding it better. Might as well reduce it to just atoms, or just protons/electrons, or just quarks... Do you see what I mean? Why are chemicals where you draw the line?

Re: Impact of early life adversity on reward processing in young adults (2014)

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Post by JoshGG »

potato3732842 wrote: post #16
082349872349872 wrote: post #6

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> No actions to take? The actions to take would appear to depend upon whether one wishes to have fewer adults with lifetime ADHD symptoms, or more*. The childhood adversities to affect either way are from [RutterQuinton77] and listed in TFA's Table S1, abbreviated here: *Low educational level parent with neither school nor training *Overcrowding more than 1.0 person/room or housing The ones marked with * are those fa…

Tread carefully. Your comment has the aroma of exactly the sort of first order thinking that over the past 50yr resulted in welfare programs exacerbating that exact list of problems (among others) that you're saying we can solve with more welfare. I don't know what the solution is but using government to replace or supplement the kind of support that people traditionally got from their family, friends and network has…

The “welfare queen single moms” criticism is a shallow critique of government assistance programs overall and doesn’t move the analysis forward in an evidence backed manner. This is an old Republican USA talking point.

Also arguing that government support reduces the strength of family networks really needs some serious citation to back it up.

Re: Impact of early life adversity on reward processing in young adults (2014)

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Post by lupire »

jprete wrote: post #9
circlefavshape wrote: post #7

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More than 1 person per room??? Surely everyone having their own room is a very recent development?

I think that's the whole house, not just bedrooms.

That makes even less sense.

Re: Impact of early life adversity on reward processing in young adults (2014)

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Post by lupire »

circlefavshape wrote: post #7
082349872349872 wrote: post #6

Earlier quoted context omitted.

> No actions to take? The actions to take would appear to depend upon whether one wishes to have fewer adults with lifetime ADHD symptoms, or more*. The childhood adversities to affect either way are from [RutterQuinton77] and listed in TFA's Table S1, abbreviated here: *Low educational level parent with neither school nor training *Overcrowding more than 1.0 person/room or housing The ones marked with * are those fa…

More than 1 person per room??? Surely everyone having their own room is a very recent development?

It's a recent development among poor lower class stressed people, not among calm, comfortable successful people

Re: Impact of early life adversity on reward processing in young adults (2014)

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Post by taeric »

I'm growing stronger in a belief that teaching/indoctrination matters more than just general experience.

Don't get me wrong, I fully agree that life experiences are their own teaching. However, it seems clear that a coach/teacher added to the exact same experiences can lead to different learning. Curious if folks have any links to studies that disprove that?

Re: Impact of early life adversity on reward processing in young adults (2014)

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Post by lupire »

malfist wrote: post #18
FrustratedMonky wrote: post #2

So, is this just a way to do early measurements, to determine if someone might develop ADHD later. Not any indicator of things to 'do' to help not develop ADHD later? No actions to take? " In contrast, during reward delivery, activation of the bilateral insula, right pallidum and bilateral putamen increased with EFA. There was a significant association of lifetime ADHD symptoms with lower activation in the left ventr…

That's not really how research papers go. You prove a causal link between two things before a future paper tests methodologies to address the link. Though popular reporting on these types of papers will often have speculation from the journalist

Correlation, not causation. Randomized controlled trials of human suffering are not ethically approved research.

Re: Impact of early life adversity on reward processing in young adults (2014)

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Post by hiatus »

jprete wrote: post #9
circlefavshape wrote: post #7

Earlier quoted context omitted.

More than 1 person per room??? Surely everyone having their own room is a very recent development?

I think that's the whole house, not just bedrooms.

That would imply ADHD was profoundly more widespread in the generations of our grandparents and before, since 10 or more people sharing an apartment or living space was incredibly common.

Re: Impact of early life adversity on reward processing in young adults (2014)

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Post by Eumenes »

biorach wrote: post #39
potato3732842 wrote: post #16

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Tread carefully. Your comment has the aroma of exactly the sort of first order thinking that over the past 50yr resulted in welfare programs exacerbating that exact list of problems (among others) that you're saying we can solve with more welfare. I don't know what the solution is but using government to replace or supplement the kind of support that people traditionally got from their family, friends and network has…

any citations for all that? there's a lot of assumption of causation with no backup. in particular I'd mention that there are countries with far more extensive welfare programs with measurably better social outcomes, so maybe there's something else going on

what countries? i suspect the ones you're referring to are demographically different from the US and are homogeneous in culture/race/faith.
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