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Re: Kagi Update: AI Image Filter for Search Results

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Post by [deleted] »

carlosjobim wrote: post #31
MicolashKyoka wrote: post #9

this is a dumb feature, you should judge an image by your perception of it, not how it was created (ie machine or human made). the anti ai-generated image crowd is a loud minority, they won't matter in the long term and spending dev time on this is questionable decision making at best. now if you're a forensics company or that is the angle, then yeah it could be an interesting tool to have, might be even more profita…

> you should judge an image by your perception of it, not how it was created Maybe when it comes to art, but not when it comes to anything else. If I want to know what something looks like in reality, AI results won't be of use.

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Re: Kagi Update: AI Image Filter for Search Results

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Post by tikhonj »

SkyBelow wrote: post #24
MostlyStable wrote: post #12

Earlier quoted context omitted.

I agree that the source of an image often doesn't matter. But while it's completely _possible_ to make high quality images with AI that match almost any style you want, the current _reality_ is that most AI generated images are slop with an obvious "AI" feel to them, that most people are often not looking for. If I can get rid of those in an automated way, that saves me a _bunch_ of manual decisions, and makes findin…

This reminds me a bit of the XKCD about filtering chat comments comic. If you have an "AI slop" filter that hits false positives on poorly designed real images and has false negatives on high quality AI images, isn't that overall not just a positive, but potentially a better positive than a filter that perfectly filters AI with no false negatives or false positives?

Not if you care about either the human effort that went into something—which, even if you don't care about anything "fuzzy", is still a costly signal in the economic sense!—or if you care about finding images that are representative of reality. Having a magical oracle that can filter out even really "good" AI imagery would be useful and, critically, would let us do something that is otherwise difficult.

Re: Kagi Update: AI Image Filter for Search Results

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Post by mattbaker »

EA-3167 wrote: post #30
jsheard wrote: post #2

For those who haven't jumped ship to Kagi, there's a uBlacklist feed which strips out most big sites dedicated to AI images, with an optional extra "nuclear" feed which also knocks out sites that aren't strictly dedicated to AI images but do have a very large proportion of them. https://github.com/laylavish/uBlockOrigin-HUGE-AI-Blocklist

Still, give Kagi a chance. I don't work for them, I don't have friends who work for them, I'm just a guy who uses Kagi and will never look back. It isn't expensive and it's SO worth it.

Same, best digital product I’ve spent money on in a long time. It’s an improvement over Google, and well worth the price.

Re: Kagi Update: AI Image Filter for Search Results

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Post by yjftsjthsd-h »

Topgamer7 wrote: post #35
freediver wrote: post #18

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Would you mind being specific and posting a search quality issue with a concrete example(s) to kagifeedback.org? We are keen to address the issues you are seeing.

I'm a subscriber. But I don't feel like creating a signup for kagifeedback. https://kagi.com/images?q=https%3A%2F%2Fs3.amazonaws.com%2Fp... Lets use this as an example. I would personally like to have a list of exact results. Separately - a list of similar images would maybe be nice. But tbh, 99.99% of the time with reverse image search, I am trying to play detective, not find similar images. I am usually looking to…

> I'm a subscriber. But I don't feel like creating a signup for kagifeedback.

It's a separate login? That's really weird, isn't it?

Re: Kagi Update: AI Image Filter for Search Results

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Post by mzhaase »

EA-3167 wrote: post #30
jsheard wrote: post #2

For those who haven't jumped ship to Kagi, there's a uBlacklist feed which strips out most big sites dedicated to AI images, with an optional extra "nuclear" feed which also knocks out sites that aren't strictly dedicated to AI images but do have a very large proportion of them. https://github.com/laylavish/uBlockOrigin-HUGE-AI-Blocklist

Still, give Kagi a chance. I don't work for them, I don't have friends who work for them, I'm just a guy who uses Kagi and will never look back. It isn't expensive and it's SO worth it.

Been using it for a week and it is so nice to not have to your results cluttered by marketing bs. I'm faster at work as well because I find actually relevant informational.

Re: Kagi Update: AI Image Filter for Search Results

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Post by AndroTux »

freediver wrote: post #34
yzydserd wrote: post #7

Earlier quoted context omitted.

I agree. I’ve often wondered, what could be the possible reason given Kagi is using google APIs behind the scenes?

Do you have any example to share? (we do not hear this feedback frequently so want to make sure we address it, thanks!)

It’s hard to put it into solid feedback and examples, because it is highly subjective. But I also find the image results from Kagi lacking, while I really enjoy the text based results. Especially for more specific queries, the image search just doesn’t hold up.

I just tried generating an example. Take the query “screenshot nero burning rom windows xp” - of the first 10 images, only 6 are screenshots of the program on Kagi. On Google, it’s a solid 10/10.

Of course it’s hard to take just one example, but it reflects the general feeling I have when using the image search quite well. The results aren’t necessarily terrible, it’s just that they aren’t as relevant as Google’s.

Re: Kagi Update: AI Image Filter for Search Results

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Post by disqard »

Dunno if vlad can see this, but

https://kagi.com/images?q=baby+peacock

...shows that infamous AI-generated peacock image multiple times on the first row of results.

Merely filtering out websites that tend to have lots of AI images does not prevent this failure case, since (for example):

https://birdfact.com/articles/baby-peacocks

has the fake image in there, as an example of "What does a baby peacock not look like?"

As Emily Bender has correctly pointed out, AI images are like an oil spill, and the cleanup (if such a thing is even feasible) will be challenging:

https://medium.com/@emilymenonbender/cleaning-up-a-baby-peac...

(edited to add that I'm a paying Kagi customer, and this failure case isn't a ding against my overall impression of what Kagi is, and I'll continue using it)

Re: Kagi Update: AI Image Filter for Search Results

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Post by dawnerd »

EA-3167 wrote: post #30
jsheard wrote: post #2

For those who haven't jumped ship to Kagi, there's a uBlacklist feed which strips out most big sites dedicated to AI images, with an optional extra "nuclear" feed which also knocks out sites that aren't strictly dedicated to AI images but do have a very large proportion of them. https://github.com/laylavish/uBlockOrigin-HUGE-AI-Blocklist

Still, give Kagi a chance. I don't work for them, I don't have friends who work for them, I'm just a guy who uses Kagi and will never look back. It isn't expensive and it's SO worth it.

Switched about ten months ago and it’s been so good I forget it’s even not Google sometimes.

Re: Kagi Update: AI Image Filter for Search Results

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Post by elpocko »

jsheard wrote: post #2

For those who haven't jumped ship to Kagi, there's a uBlacklist feed which strips out most big sites dedicated to AI images, with an optional extra "nuclear" feed which also knocks out sites that aren't strictly dedicated to AI images but do have a very large proportion of them. https://github.com/laylavish/uBlockOrigin-HUGE-AI-Blocklist

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