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Since spring of 2023, the world has been warmer than climate models anticipated

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Re: Since spring of 2023, the world has been warmer than climate models anticipated

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Post by schnuri »

schnitzelstoat wrote: post #30

Governments still don't take it seriously though. Here in Spain, we still plan to shut down our nuclear reactors (while many other countries are restarting their nuclear programmes) and at the same time the EU has placed crippling tariffs on Chinese EVs so the transition to electric vehicles remains unaffordable for most people. When appeasing an ideological voter base or German shareholders remains more important th…

I think it’s important to point out that German car manufacturers and the German government opposed import tariffs on Chinese cars.

Re: Since spring of 2023, the world has been warmer than climate models anticipated

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Post by worstspotgain »

agilob wrote: post #31

Not only the climate is warmer than models anticipated, we're doing worse to prevent it than pessimistic expectations.

Not only that, we're approaching a massive tipping point in just a couple of weeks. Some of the "poser pontificators" claim to be concerned about the climate, yet they're not even sure they will vote.

If you have relatives in college in MI, WI, PA, NC, GA, NV or AZ who are concerned about the climate, get them to shake off the stupor.

Re: Since spring of 2023, the world has been warmer than climate models anticipated

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Post by schnuri »

pjc50 wrote: post #37
schnitzelstoat wrote: post #30

Governments still don't take it seriously though. Here in Spain, we still plan to shut down our nuclear reactors (while many other countries are restarting their nuclear programmes) and at the same time the EU has placed crippling tariffs on Chinese EVs so the transition to electric vehicles remains unaffordable for most people. When appeasing an ideological voter base or German shareholders remains more important th…

> the EU has placed crippling tariffs on Chinese EVs That was my "OK, so you're completely unserious about this" moment. Governments have been subsidizing EVs, now they're cheap enough to not require subsidy, and you're cutting them off to appease the VW liars?

VW is against import tariffs on Chinese cars as they fear repercussions (and China is an important export market to them). There are other car manufacturers in the EU which depend much more on domestic sales.

Re: Since spring of 2023, the world has been warmer than climate models anticipated

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Post by schnitzelstoat »

schnuri wrote: post #41
schnitzelstoat wrote: post #30

Governments still don't take it seriously though. Here in Spain, we still plan to shut down our nuclear reactors (while many other countries are restarting their nuclear programmes) and at the same time the EU has placed crippling tariffs on Chinese EVs so the transition to electric vehicles remains unaffordable for most people. When appeasing an ideological voter base or German shareholders remains more important th…

I think it’s important to point out that German car manufacturers and the German government opposed import tariffs on Chinese cars.

Fair enough, but in the end we still got the tariffs.

Re: Since spring of 2023, the world has been warmer than climate models anticipated

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Post by vasco »

pjc50 wrote: post #37
schnitzelstoat wrote: post #30

Governments still don't take it seriously though. Here in Spain, we still plan to shut down our nuclear reactors (while many other countries are restarting their nuclear programmes) and at the same time the EU has placed crippling tariffs on Chinese EVs so the transition to electric vehicles remains unaffordable for most people. When appeasing an ideological voter base or German shareholders remains more important th…

> the EU has placed crippling tariffs on Chinese EVs That was my "OK, so you're completely unserious about this" moment. Governments have been subsidizing EVs, now they're cheap enough to not require subsidy, and you're cutting them off to appease the VW liars?

The climate emergency is just a way to make you pay more taxes and accept a worse life for you and your children than what your parents had. It shames you into accepting we are using up too much, but a select few can still eat meat and fly private jets since they can pay for all the extra taxes, meanwhile you should accept your life of sacrifice for the planet.

If we actually are in trouble the people in power can easily geo-engineer cooling the whole planet. Countries have done cloud seeding for decades, we can cool the planet if we want.

Re: Since spring of 2023, the world has been warmer than climate models anticipated

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Post by epolanski »

namaria wrote: post #15
Yizahi wrote: post #10

Worth remembering that even IPCC itself has models which predict way higher temperatures by 2100 than goes into IPCC reports. We have just decided to collectively ignore them.

We are collectively in full on denial about the consequences of climate change. Only directly accountable organizations like militaries and insurers are actually acting on the data. People are still buying cheap stuff from overseas, traveling and generally spending energy like there's no tomorrow. We will only see real changes in behavior and policy once coastal flooding in major metropolises becomes a reality a few…

Don't forget food.

Eating so much meat, especially beef is devastating on the environment.

A single hamburger pollutes like driving an SUV for 50 miles.

For some reason the food industry catches very little attention despite the gigantic impact.

Re: Since spring of 2023, the world has been warmer than climate models anticipated

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Post by schnitzelstoat »

arj wrote: post #22

We all live in the same planet, the most reasonable way to share this is that we get an equal share. For far to long certain countries have taken up much more of their share. To such a point that our whole carbon budget has been used in a single or two generations. Now is the time for those better of to contribute their fair share in solving this mess.

To quote Reagan:

> The American people, the most generous on earth, who created the highest standard of living, are not going to accept the notion that we can only make a better world for others by moving backwards ourselves.

We need to embrace carbon-free electricity (whether its nuclear or solar or whatever) and electrify as many things as possible.

Degrowth isn't a humane solution, and it would first require the destruction of democracy as no electorate would endure it for long.

Re: Since spring of 2023, the world has been warmer than climate models anticipated

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Post by sd9 »

readthenotes1 wrote: post #26
arj wrote: post #22

We all live in the same planet, the most reasonable way to share this is that we get an equal share. For far to long certain countries have taken up much more of their share. To such a point that our whole carbon budget has been used in a single or two generations. Now is the time for those better of to contribute their fair share in solving this mess.

"the most reasonable way to share this is that we get an equal share" That doesn't sound reasonable to me. How do you to find equal? Who implements the counting and penalties for someone taking more or less than their Fair share? Is there anybody who is going to be left out of "we"? I could go on...

What do you think sounds reasonable?

Re: Since spring of 2023, the world has been warmer than climate models anticipated

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Post by vasco »

schnuri wrote: post #41
schnitzelstoat wrote: post #30

Governments still don't take it seriously though. Here in Spain, we still plan to shut down our nuclear reactors (while many other countries are restarting their nuclear programmes) and at the same time the EU has placed crippling tariffs on Chinese EVs so the transition to electric vehicles remains unaffordable for most people. When appeasing an ideological voter base or German shareholders remains more important th…

I think it’s important to point out that German car manufacturers and the German government opposed import tariffs on Chinese cars.

To think things get done in the EU without Germany's approval is a bit past naivety. Germany publicly voted no to try and delay a Chinese reprisal too fast in counter tariffs, but that's just for optics, otherwise they wouldn't have been approved.

It's incredible how one can see what happens in practice but believe what people say rather than what people do.

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