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UCLA professor says he's homeless due to low pay

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Re: UCLA professor says he's homeless due to low pay

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This is a physicist who could likely make much more in the private sector. That's a compromise I've had to make too. I spend my weekdays doing work that I have little interest in and has less chance of improving the human condition, but it let me buy a house and pay the taxes and fees. If I instead choose to do what I'm interested in I'd be lucky to afford renting a room in someone else's house. I admire the guy for…

> But I'm not owed a decent salary in return for following my own dreams rather than my employer's dreams. Nobody is. Ok, but he is owed a decent salary for performing an important job. Without guys like this, we don't have a next generation of physicists (most of whom will move into the private sector).

I’m not exactly sure that’s how the world works…

Re: UCLA professor says he's homeless due to low pay

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I am no astrophysicist, but he notes: “Hi everyone, my name is Daniel, and I’m an astrophysics professor at UCLA. I’m only being paid $70,000 for this academic year,” McKeown says in the video. McKeown, listed as a lecturer on UCLA’s website, says he had to move out of his apartment because he could no longer afford the rent. McKeown says his rent was $2,500 a month. According to RentCafe, the average rent is $3,700…

The linked article quotes him: “I’m asking for $100,000 so I can afford my rent”.

I take that to mean $100k total, which is $2500 pre-tax.

I suspect his effective tax rate is significantly below your numbers. 22% may be the marginal federal tax rate on $70k (I didn’t check), but that would probably put his effective federal rate in the low teens.

EDIT: just checked, just below 11% according to this SmartAsset calculator which puts take-home just shy of $54k or $4500 a month. Only if he has ZERO other obligations like child support or student loans.

https://smartasset.com/taxes/income-taxes#DV9x0OBRA9

Re: UCLA professor says he's homeless due to low pay

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Earlier quoted context omitted.

> But I'm not owed a decent salary in return for following my own dreams rather than my employer's dreams. Nobody is. Ok, but he is owed a decent salary for performing an important job. Without guys like this, we don't have a next generation of physicists (most of whom will move into the private sector).

I’m not exactly sure that’s how the world works…

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Re: UCLA professor says he's homeless due to low pay

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Per smartasset.com: 70K salary in Los Angeles - Gross $5,833/mo, filing single, including federal, state, fica, state disability gives a monthly take home of $4,447 So find it hard to believe he is "homeless", seems to be more by choice. And if the take home after paying rent is still too high, do like most others do - get a roommate to share expenses.

Yeah, seems obvious getting a roommate would be the answer here. I'm not sure if that's not as culturally acceptable in LA as here in NYC but there are people in their 40s and beyond who have roommates.

Re: UCLA professor says he's homeless due to low pay

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Academia is exploitative. The financial incentives are a symptom of the bigger problem. Is university career training for industry or for an academic track? It is not made clear to people entering the system, and is often murky to everyone years into a degree. There is encouragement for education for its own sake, there’s encouragement for education for a high paying career, and there’s encouragement to merge these two and enter academia in a professional capacity. There’s often a mountain of undischargeable personal debt behind it.

What people are typically not told is that financially stable academic positions are either political or hard to come by. It’s like professional sports: you can be a pro and just short of top notch and you’ll be playing in the minors for your career, making pennies. This could take the form of endless low-paying postdoctoral gigs, or the crown prize, an associate professorship with little or no benefits and a salary that just lets you scrape by.

In the meantime you are expected to pour your heart and soul into the endeavor. There is some reward in that but it is fleeting, and once you have committed to a career path the momentum to change tracks can be a real obstacle. Academia will suck you dry and demand more. Unless you end up with a tenured position at the end of that, it’s not sustainable unless you have another source of financial backing, like a spouse with a “real job.”

The US doesn’t really value education. Those who do are idealistic or exploitative, sometimes both. You’re buying into a deeply dysfunctional system and should at least go into it with eyes open.

Re: UCLA professor says he's homeless due to low pay

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Earlier quoted context omitted.

>But I'm not owed a decent salary in return for following my own dreams rather than my employer's dreams. Nobody is. Of course. On the other hand, one has to wonder which of this two occupations helps humanity more, and it's this the one that's paid better. And if not, should we rethink the way we reward work to prioritize things that help society instead.

> should we rethink the way we reward work to prioritize things that help society instead. The problem is that everyone has different ideas about what helps society. At least the current system, where people are compensated based on supply and demand, people actually want what's being produced. In contrast to the old soviet system where top down production decisions mean that what's "best for society" is of no use to…

Why do you pick the two extreme situations. Isn't there a possibility of a middle ground?

Re: UCLA professor says he's homeless due to low pay

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I am no astrophysicist, but he notes: “Hi everyone, my name is Daniel, and I’m an astrophysics professor at UCLA. I’m only being paid $70,000 for this academic year,” McKeown says in the video. McKeown, listed as a lecturer on UCLA’s website, says he had to move out of his apartment because he could no longer afford the rent. McKeown says his rent was $2,500 a month. According to RentCafe, the average rent is $3,700…

his taxes in total are more than thirty six percent in California, and there is no mention of debt service costs.

I posted the smartasset tax calculator link in this thread but the upshot is his state taxes should be a bit over 4% effective, or about $3k.

Total effective tax burden (federal, fica, plus CA) on this pay amount for a single person with no other circumstances is just shy of 23%.

Re: UCLA professor says he's homeless due to low pay

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McKeown should be paid more, without question, but he is a lecturer, not a faculty member. His title and appointment is not as a "Professor". [0] This is due to the hierarchical ranking system of academic institutions. McKeown's qualifications may be the same as his more highly ranked colleagues, but the tiered system which rewards research does not pay as much for lecturers whose primary assignment is to teach. [0]…

Yes, lecturer is a low level academic position, using the word "professor" to describe him is inaccurate, even though he has a Ph.D. If he is teaching one class, it likely isn't even a full-time position.

Academics are also typically paid a 10-month salary (the "academic year" he mentions), if they teach summer classes that is separate "summer pay." At research universities, part of a professor's salary is also funded by research grant awards they win.

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