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Re: Show HN: HTML for People

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Post by blakewatson »

messo wrote: post #11

I have tried so many times to convince non-technical people that they can put together their own website quite easily, but so often they think I'm joking and that it requires a lot of effort. Next time I'll refer the to this site and ask them to give it half an hour and see what they can create in that time. I know that so many would get hooked if they just get that first taste of "wow, i just published something on…

Yes! I would love that. I need to update the readme, but I think my strategy would be to place translated chapters in a subfolder, (eg, "/es"). I can configure Eleventy to generate a different nav menu based on the subpath.

Re: Show HN: HTML for People

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Post by blakewatson »

forbiddenvoid wrote: post #13

I love the idea and I'm thrilled to see more sites like this out there. But I do think this assumes a level of computer literacy that isn't consistent with typical, non-technical users. Step 1 starts with: > Pick a location on your computer and create a folder. Call it my-site or something similar. You've already lost the vast majority of people right here. There are a shockingly large number of people out there that…

OP here. Yeah, I was a bit worried about this, and even though I kind of mentioned it in the introduction, I think it deserves more attention. I'm not sure if I want to write something and host it myself, or maybe just point people to some kind of primer on creating files and folders.

Re: Show HN: HTML for People

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Post by giobox »

bartvk wrote: post #27
_lvbh wrote: post #12

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It's crazy how bad the mobile epidemic has gotten. There are kids coming into a Computer Science degree that can't figure out how to unzip a zip or even finding out where files get downloaded to. (Fwiw, those I know dropped out before 2nd year)

I'd say half of my first-year CS students don't know how to create a folder with files, at the start of the school year. To me, it's nuts. But on the other hand, lots of students are very curious and come to learn. You can't blame them for not knowing something.

I try not to get overly-annoyed at this kind of thing too, but to me it just demonstrates an incredible lack of self-drive, or curiosity, especially in the CS domain.

If the students are genuinely curious, there is nothing to stop them learning about pretty much any topic in CS - really. There are few university subjects where the entire syllabus is freely available online in almost every format imaginable the way CS often is, and very often the computer you already have works just fine to learn it on.

Re: Show HN: HTML for People

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Post by cryptoz »

have_faith wrote: post #10
divbzero wrote: post #4

I love the order of tutorial, starting simple to deploy something first: 1. Use Notepad/TextEdit to create a plain text index.html . 2. Deploy index.html to Neocities or similar. 3. Add content with headings and images. And only then going back to: 4. Make it proper HTML with and . 5. Upgrade Notepad/TextEdit to Visual Studio Code.

You're probably already aware, but , and is optional in HTML5, so it's a "proper" document without them.

Isn't doctype still required by the spec in HTML5 in order to be "proper"? Perhaps I'm mistaken but I thought I remembered that it's technically 'required'.

Re: Show HN: HTML for People

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Post by jwagenet »

cryptoz wrote: post #40
divbzero wrote: post #36

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The Android Files app has always allowed access to local files, and the iOS Files app has allowed access to local files since 2019. https://www.cultofmac.com/news/files-app-makes-ipad-more-mac... However, neither of them are typically used in mobile UX patterns.

> the iOS Files app has allowed access to local files since 2019 Huh. I just opened my Files app on my iPhone 12 and went to On My iPhone (which was 2-3 more taps once arriving in the app). I don't see many of my files though, just a few. Some PDFs and a Spotify folder. But I don't see my pictures there? Or are pictures no longer stored as 'files'? Or do you mean that the app has allowed access only to some local use…

Photos taken on the camera, shared to you, or “saved to photos” will live in the Photos app. The files app primarily contains things you download from your web browser, including images downloaded and not “saved to photos” and images extracted from zip, etc. I guess some apps can save data there too. It would be nice if there was a back road to images stored in Photos app via Files app, but the distinction is otherwise well defined.

Re: Show HN: HTML for People

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Post by cryptoz »

jwagenet wrote: post #45
cryptoz wrote: post #40

Earlier quoted context omitted.

> the iOS Files app has allowed access to local files since 2019 Huh. I just opened my Files app on my iPhone 12 and went to On My iPhone (which was 2-3 more taps once arriving in the app). I don't see many of my files though, just a few. Some PDFs and a Spotify folder. But I don't see my pictures there? Or are pictures no longer stored as 'files'? Or do you mean that the app has allowed access only to some local use…

Photos taken on the camera, shared to you, or “saved to photos” will live in the Photos app. The files app primarily contains things you download from your web browser, including images downloaded and not “saved to photos” and images extracted from zip, etc. I guess some apps can save data there too. It would be nice if there was a back road to images stored in Photos app via Files app, but the distinction is otherwi…

Aha! So some photos are actually 'files', but some are not! The confusion continues! I get why Apple has it this way - current iPhones are very very popular and selling them with the current UX makes Apple a lot of money.

But it's pretty clear that the Files app is not meant - in any way - to help users understand computers, what files are, etc. It is obtuse and confusing as soon as the user wants to leave the iOS ecosystem (even to go use a Mac).

Re: Show HN: HTML for People

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Post by hyperhello »

gabrielsroka wrote: post #25

Would something like this work instead of using Notepad/TextEdit (at least at first)? Of course, this code could be made better...

Oh yes, that is easy enough and it works fine. It can even save with:

    localStorage.setItem('text',results.innerHTML=this.value)

Re: Show HN: HTML for People

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Post by crabmusket »

mightybyte wrote: post #7

I think the fundamental approach being taken by this project is immensely valuable to the world. This kind of education about open standards might actually be the most powerful tool that can help us take steps in the direction away from giant opaque corporations and back towards the systems based on open standards that the internet originated from. I really hope this project continues to be updated and get more and m…

I really hope so too. I really wonder what would happen if there was an alternative like... instead of spending X dozen hours learning how to use WordPress, or MS Word for that matter, people (in the general population) felt like spending those X dozen hours learning HTML was a viable and useful alternative to achieving their goals!

Re: Show HN: HTML for People

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Post by Diti »

baggy_trough wrote: post #24
otteromkram wrote: post #22

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Mozilla has amazing documentation that's been around for years. Here's their basic html tutorial section: https://developer.mozilla.org/en-US/docs/Learn/HTML No one is or has been stopping people from learning HTML.

Super approachable. (sure Jan meme.gif)

That’s the website my high school used in engineering sciences classes to give students an introduction to HTML. I don’t see the point of your comment (I think it’s sarcasm, but I’m not even sure), can you be a little bit more constructive?

Re: Show HN: HTML for People

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Post by nox101 »

cryptoz wrote: post #46
jwagenet wrote: post #45

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Photos taken on the camera, shared to you, or “saved to photos” will live in the Photos app. The files app primarily contains things you download from your web browser, including images downloaded and not “saved to photos” and images extracted from zip, etc. I guess some apps can save data there too. It would be nice if there was a back road to images stored in Photos app via Files app, but the distinction is otherwi…

Aha! So some photos are actually 'files', but some are not! The confusion continues! I get why Apple has it this way - current iPhones are very very popular and selling them with the current UX makes Apple a lot of money. But it's pretty clear that the Files app is not meant - in any way - to help users understand computers, what files are, etc. It is obtuse and confusing as soon as the user wants to leave the iOS ec…

you're jumping to conclusions. One does not follow from the other.

(a) apple doesn't show users all the files on their iPhone

(b) apple makes lots of money

There is no evidence that a causes b. It's possible showing the files would make them even more money. It's also possible showing the files would have no effect on how much money they make.

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