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Cards Against Humanity Launches a Super Pac to Match Elon Musk's Super Pac

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Re: Cards Against Humanity Launches a Super Pac to Match Elon Musk's Super Pac

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Post by tmpz22 »

jedberg wrote: post #13

It seems some people are surprised that they were able to buy data on who voted and how they lean. I wasn't surprised because I worked on a campaign before. It's ridiculous how much information you can get about voters for not a lot of money. You can get their phone number and email address that they provided with their voter registration, and the do not call list does not even apply (nor the do not spam list). You c…

> It's kinda crazy how basically every law meant to protect people from spam has a special carve out for political campaigns.

Electioneering is a golden goose of money. There are billions in Ad spend every election cycle and everybody is in on it - Facebook, Google, Twilio, Sendgrid, the telecoms, phone banks and call centers, nonprofits, for profits. Nobody wants the money to stop because is pure margin what they charge the campaigns for.

Re: Cards Against Humanity Launches a Super Pac to Match Elon Musk's Super Pac

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Post by FactKnower69 »

wakawaka28 wrote: post #31
kibwen wrote: post #9

Earlier quoted context omitted.

No, devolving powers to the states is what makes it a federation. Having a state-representative legislative chamber makes it a federation. Electing a federal president via popular vote does not indicate defederation any more than the existence of the House of Representatives does.

Electing a president via popular vote would give populous states disproportionate influence over the country compared to other states. That is important because the president could do obnoxious things against the best interest of any particular state, especially ones with less influence. The stuff happening to your home state is way more relevant to your life than your political party or special interests.

Damn imagine if everyone's vote was equally weighted, what a disaster for democracy that would be. Mob rule!!

Re: Cards Against Humanity Launches a Super Pac to Match Elon Musk's Super Pac

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Post by paulcole »

api wrote: post #19
jedberg wrote: post #17

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Musk is running a similar program for people in swing states, paying them $47 to refer potential Trump voters. If he doesn't pay, or pays selectively, he's violating various campaign finance laws.

Isn’t it flat illegal to pay people to vote? Otherwise Trump or Harris could just… directly bribe people to vote for them through a cutout.

This has always been one of my favorite questions to think about.

If votes could be legally sold how much would it cost to buy the US Presidential election?

Re: Cards Against Humanity Launches a Super Pac to Match Elon Musk's Super Pac

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Post by itsdrewmiller »

jedberg wrote: post #13

It seems some people are surprised that they were able to buy data on who voted and how they lean. I wasn't surprised because I worked on a campaign before. It's ridiculous how much information you can get about voters for not a lot of money. You can get their phone number and email address that they provided with their voter registration, and the do not call list does not even apply (nor the do not spam list). You c…

Which laws have special carve outs for political campaigns?

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Post by jedberg »

itsdrewmiller wrote: post #44
jedberg wrote: post #13

It seems some people are surprised that they were able to buy data on who voted and how they lean. I wasn't surprised because I worked on a campaign before. It's ridiculous how much information you can get about voters for not a lot of money. You can get their phone number and email address that they provided with their voter registration, and the do not call list does not even apply (nor the do not spam list). You c…

Which laws have special carve outs for political campaigns?

Mainly the one that establishes the Do Not Call list (it exempts political campaigns from any penalty) and CAN-SPAM which exempts political emails from any penalties.

Re: Cards Against Humanity Launches a Super Pac to Match Elon Musk's Super Pac

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Post by dwater »

itsdrewmiller wrote: post #44
jedberg wrote: post #13

It seems some people are surprised that they were able to buy data on who voted and how they lean. I wasn't surprised because I worked on a campaign before. It's ridiculous how much information you can get about voters for not a lot of money. You can get their phone number and email address that they provided with their voter registration, and the do not call list does not even apply (nor the do not spam list). You c…

Which laws have special carve outs for political campaigns?

TCPA and CAN SPAM.

https://www.fcc.gov/rules-political-campaign-calls-and-texts

Re: Cards Against Humanity Launches a Super Pac to Match Elon Musk's Super Pac

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Post by netsharc »

tmpz22 wrote: post #41
jedberg wrote: post #13

It seems some people are surprised that they were able to buy data on who voted and how they lean. I wasn't surprised because I worked on a campaign before. It's ridiculous how much information you can get about voters for not a lot of money. You can get their phone number and email address that they provided with their voter registration, and the do not call list does not even apply (nor the do not spam list). You c…

> It's kinda crazy how basically every law meant to protect people from spam has a special carve out for political campaigns. Electioneering is a golden goose of money. There are billions in Ad spend every election cycle and everybody is in on it - Facebook, Google, Twilio, Sendgrid, the telecoms, phone banks and call centers, nonprofits, for profits. Nobody wants the money to stop because is pure margin what they ch…

TV companies too, getting that sweet sweet ad money. I remember feeling in the 2008 Democrat primary race that TV had a split agenda. The nomination was definitely Obama's, but the TV reports kept talking about a race, because (my guess) it keeps viewers tuning in...

Re: Cards Against Humanity Launches a Super Pac to Match Elon Musk's Super Pac

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Post by netsharc »

unsnap_biceps wrote: post #18
madmod wrote: post #15

Can someone explain what law forces Musk to pay them $47 for everyone that fills out a form?

it'll be breach of contract. Musk is promising that he will pay every valid voter in the swing states $47 if they fill out his form and certify they will vote for in the interest of the first and second amendments, if a eligible voter fulfills their part of the bargain and says to send their check to CaH, it's their right to do so. Musk can't just decide he doesn't like what they're doing with (now) their money and n…

> Musk can't just decide [to] not pay up on his end of the bargain.

Have I got a list of times he's done exactly that.

Granted he also loses a lot in court. He even had to go through paying $44B once...

Re: Cards Against Humanity Launches a Super Pac to Match Elon Musk's Super Pac

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Post by miki123211 »

orwin wrote: post #11

I don't really care about US elections in general, but your rules are broken. Here are interesting bits: How do you know who didn’t vote? We formed a Super PAC and bought the personal voting records of every American citizen from a data broker we found on the internet. It’s pretty fucked up. How do you know who’s “blue leaning”? We got your partisan lean from the same data broker who sold us your voting history. You…

> bought the personal voting records of every American citizen from a data broker we found on the internet

The way they phrase this, it sounds like they physically bought a file containing these records, not e.g. access to some API that lets them send targeted messages.

If that is the case and that file can be bought so easily, I'm surprised some version of it hasn't leaked on the internet yet.

An email address, phone number, address and political leaning for every voting American? That would be the breach to end all breaches, probably both figuratively and literally.

Re: Cards Against Humanity Launches a Super Pac to Match Elon Musk's Super Pac

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Post by itsdrewmiller »

dwater wrote: post #46
itsdrewmiller wrote: post #44

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Which laws have special carve outs for political campaigns?

TCPA and CAN SPAM. https://www.fcc.gov/rules-political-campaign-calls-and-texts

Neither of those laws mention political campaigns at all - both laws are directed at commercial activity.
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