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Oura Ring 4

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Re: Oura Ring 4

#41

Is there much research being performed into implantable health monitors?

Why would you want it implantable? I mean, I get why, but at the speed the tech evolves do you want to cut yourself up just to implant something that will be obsolete in a few years?

Good point. I guess I want more stats with higher accuracy without having to wear something.

Re: Oura Ring 4

#42
$400 and a monthly subscription to a company that is known for only one product feels like a really shitty deal to me. I know people with various versions of this product and they do like it, but it's a hard sell for me to want to put that kind of money in.

Re: Oura Ring 4

#43

So, do I get any functionality if I just buy the ring, or do I _have to_ subscribe? I mean does the ring have any basic features that work without subscription, or do I pay monthly even for the basic features? If it's the latter it's a big no.

You need to subscribe. It's $5.99/month. You get daily/weekly/monthly/yearly reports, and you can download all the raw data from their website at any time to do your own processing.

Re: Oura Ring 4

#44
My second Oura ring (3rd gen) is ~3 years old and is currently collecting dust in a drawer because the battery lasts I might be able to get it replaced if support decides to be generous, but dealing w/support is a pain, and the alternative is buying a $400 replacement every 2-3 years when the battery starts to fail.

I don't have to pay the monthly subscription - they had a deal where you could buy a third gen ring (at full price) and would get lifetime access without paying a monthly subscription. Despite that it still doesn't feel worth it to me to have yet another device I have to babysit (remember to sync with the app every day, remember to wear, remember to charge) and pay hundreds of $ to replace every 2-3 years. With the subscription cost, there's no way this product's value proposition makes sense for me.

Re: Oura Ring 4

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I really like the Oura, and have had a 2nd gen which works great for nearly 7 years- battery still going strong. However the 2nd gen had no monthly subscription fee, which I really hate... I am not sure if I would be willing to upgrade, as I have a huge aversion to subscription fees. Overall, I don't really like their software either- in my experience their 'sleep score' is in no way correlated with quality of sleep,…

If you wake up a lot at night and still feel tired in the morning... have you tried doing a sleep study? I believe that obstructive sleep apnea is severely under-diagnosed.

Yes, I did a real sleep study and they said I do indeed have "mild" sleep apnea but it "isn't bad enough that we are willing to treat it." I do usually need several naps to get through a typical day- and that is after identifying and treating three other major health conditions that can cause fatigue.

The newer Oura rings actually have an integrated pulse oximeter and can measure apnea, but mine does not.

I wonder if I should just buy a CPAP on my own and see if I feel better. I probably should also lower my bodyweight... I am a weight lifter, although fairly lean, I am a big guy, and losing some weight might reduce apnea events.

Re: Oura Ring 4

#46

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Almost all of those are work-related or in specific activities like sailing. You are not gonna get degloved writing redux selectors or whatever.

> You are not gonna get degloved writing redux selectors or whatever. Right, just buy the fitness tracker and make sure to only wear it indoors while not performing physical activities.

I mean I would not wear it while handling lines under tension! But if your job or hobby involves that you know without even looking that a fitness tracker on your finger is not an option for you regardless of material.

Re: Oura Ring 4

#47
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It looks like Oura at least writes to Apple Health [1], so there's some portability. [1] https://support.ouraring.com/hc/en-us/articles/360025438734-...

So instead of Oura owning your data, Oura _and_ Apple own it?

Think of Apple Health as more like the Photos app on iOS than an online service like Garmin Connect or Google Fit or something like that.

Apple Health data are only stored on your device unless you choose to synchronize them to iCloud, in which case they're e2e encrypted.

Apple does occasionally offer the option to contribute to research studies, in which case they'd have access to the relevant data but this is an explicit opt-in.

All the Apple Health data are also available through HealthKit APIs so that they can be used in other apps, including various export apps (though export is also a native feature). Use of this API requires an explicit app-specific and data category-specific opt-in from the user.

All this is to say: I don't think it's accurate to say Apple owns your data in this case. Apple likes to put themselves as privacy-first and you may disagree more generally whether they live up to their image but IMO this is one of the cases where they've done a pretty good job.

Re: Oura Ring 4

#48

I'd be curious to hear from Oura Ring fans what they find so useful about them beyond the initial period where you get to diagnose poor sleep patterns and maybe a low step count. What value do you get out of it long term?

The sleep data is useful for fine tuning sleep. For whatever reason I don't see the big effects of alcohol that others mention, but I do see the effect of late day caffeine and also of stress.

The readiness / stress stuff is useful as well. Its better at picking up physical stress ( increased running volume, etc ) than mental stress, but its a useful feedback mechanism.

I'd love to be able to set alerts on specific measurements. Sometimes I feel like specific measurements are very predictive for me, but the rolled up score isn't as useful.

It's also able to tell if I'm getting sick a bit before I can tell.

Re: Oura Ring 4

#49
post #45

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If you wake up a lot at night and still feel tired in the morning... have you tried doing a sleep study? I believe that obstructive sleep apnea is severely under-diagnosed.

Yes, I did a real sleep study and they said I do indeed have "mild" sleep apnea but it "isn't bad enough that we are willing to treat it." I do usually need several naps to get through a typical day- and that is after identifying and treating three other major health conditions that can cause fatigue. The newer Oura rings actually have an integrated pulse oximeter and can measure apnea, but mine does not. I wonder if…

I did. Bought it myself. Learn how to enter clinician mode by holding the right buttons for your model. It's quite shocking how controlled and artificially limited things are in CPAP-land. cpap, and more advanced machines have identical hardware, but they cost orders of magnitude different prices. For many people have different pressure when inhaling vs exhaling is important - so called BiPAP. Everyone tells you start with CPAP, but if it turns out you need BiPAP then you need to replace the entire machine even though hacking the software works in, ahem, certain cases.

Re: Oura Ring 4

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I was curious about getting one of these things, and your comment prompted me to find this - looks like it's totally possible to collect & interpret yourself: https://github.com/Pinta365/oura_api

That appears to be connecting to Oura's servers, collecting the data they choose to share. You are still at the whim of the company, who can turn off that data spigot any time it becomes expedient for them. There's no way to get the data off of the device and use it yourself, without the same data going to their servers. You pay hundreds of dollars for a device that doesn't let you use it, and rely on the kindness of…

Very few people want to interface with a wearable locally and store the data locally (esp via a mobile app given the use case here).

I have spent my entire career messing around with APIs and platforms and I have no interest in doing this DIY. oAuth into Oura ring's servers, which is totally available to you, is just fine.

If privacy is this much of a concern, why wear a trackable wearable in the first place?

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