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Why laptop support, why now: FreeBSD's strategic move toward broader adoption

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Re: Why laptop support, why now: FreeBSD's strategic move toward broader adoption

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post #6

> organizations prioritizing endpoint security increasingly look to FreeBSD for its secure and stable environment What is the story there? I've heard nothing about it. It would be an incredible development.

Many organisations build FreeBSD firewalls. I don’t know how it’s now, but for example the Swedish armed forces were using a software called Färist which was based on FreeBSD. I helped set it up during an exercise when I was a wee conscript.

Re: Why laptop support, why now: FreeBSD's strategic move toward broader adoption

#42

I could be alone in this, but I think getting containers (OCI, Docker) running on FreeBSD seems like a better direction - I totally get that Docker is a Linux kernel thing but the idea of a file system with layers, registries etc could be a thing right? I love FreeBSD but cannot really use it in a production environment until I can deploy containers on it as that is pretty much the defacto for our workflow. Maybe it…

FreeBSD has supported containers since the 90s.

Re: Why laptop support, why now: FreeBSD's strategic move toward broader adoption

#43
post #9

As a long term FreeBSD user (since 2.0) and advocate, my view is that FreeBSD should focus on its niche as a rock-solid server operating system. For most developers buying a MacBook and SSH-ing into a server is probably the right answer (or running a VM if you really need something local). The level of effort to match the MacBook user experience feels like a lost cause (Linux has been trying to do this for decades wi…

I'm so much on the cliff on this, whilst they should focus it's becoming more painful by the year to run stuff on FreeBSD since there is so may Linux:isms in most opensource projects today that it's almost as hard to compile on FreeBSD as it was to compile on Windows 20 years ago. Only a month or two back I gave up on compiling Samba myself (mostly worked w/o issues in the past just with ./configure && make), relying…

Kind of, on embedded space, other kernels and FOSS operating systems are shaping up, none of them using GPL derived licenses.

Re: Why laptop support, why now: FreeBSD's strategic move toward broader adoption

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post #29

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Yeah, that’s just, like, your opinion, man. For me, FreeBSD is rock-solid server and workstation OS. Documentation is very good, the Handbook is great, and most of the time the manual pages is all that you need. The ports collection is large and it’s not very hard to package your own software as a port. The OS is predictable and this is something I value highly.

You might want to read the comment you're replying to again.

Oh, didn't I get the sarcasm of the comment I replied to... Thank you for making me reread it, really.

Re: Why laptop support, why now: FreeBSD's strategic move toward broader adoption

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post #2

I think that a major problem is that you can't legally force vendors to open source the drivers they distribute. Most importantly wifi drivers which are critical to making an operating system that people can actually use.

> you can't legally force vendors to open source the drivers they distribute

You can't, no, but that is looking at the wrong end of the problem.

What you can do is say, "we are the government of $X and we buy $Y billion of $currency of equipment per year, every year, and we will only buy from vendors who make all their drivers and firmware FOSS."

Then vendors will fall over one another in their haste to get a slice of that pie.

This is how we got desktop power management: the US Gov't Energy Star initiative.

This is why A/UX happened and how Apple got into UNIX: the US Army required POSIX as a condition of purchase.

Result, indirectly: OS X.

Re: Why laptop support, why now: FreeBSD's strategic move toward broader adoption

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post #42

I could be alone in this, but I think getting containers (OCI, Docker) running on FreeBSD seems like a better direction - I totally get that Docker is a Linux kernel thing but the idea of a file system with layers, registries etc could be a thing right? I love FreeBSD but cannot really use it in a production environment until I can deploy containers on it as that is pretty much the defacto for our workflow. Maybe it…

FreeBSD has supported containers since the 90s.

It would, however, be immensely useful to complete the work to run containerd with OCI images on top of jails, to the point that it's just a `pkg install`.

Re: Why laptop support, why now: FreeBSD's strategic move toward broader adoption

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post #9

As a long term FreeBSD user (since 2.0) and advocate, my view is that FreeBSD should focus on its niche as a rock-solid server operating system. For most developers buying a MacBook and SSH-ing into a server is probably the right answer (or running a VM if you really need something local). The level of effort to match the MacBook user experience feels like a lost cause (Linux has been trying to do this for decades wi…

The ability to daily drive an operating system on the machine sitting on your desk helps get contributions that also help it be a better server operating system.

Re: Why laptop support, why now: FreeBSD's strategic move toward broader adoption

#48
post #42

I could be alone in this, but I think getting containers (OCI, Docker) running on FreeBSD seems like a better direction - I totally get that Docker is a Linux kernel thing but the idea of a file system with layers, registries etc could be a thing right? I love FreeBSD but cannot really use it in a production environment until I can deploy containers on it as that is pretty much the defacto for our workflow. Maybe it…

FreeBSD has supported containers since the 90s.

And it has 5-6 different ways for managing jails, some of them abandoned, others peculiar, and some recently degrading in quality.

Re: Why laptop support, why now: FreeBSD's strategic move toward broader adoption

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post #42

Earlier quoted context omitted.

FreeBSD has supported containers since the 90s.

And it has 5-6 different ways for managing jails, some of them abandoned, others peculiar, and some recently degrading in quality.

There are 100s of ways of managing anything, what’s your point here?

I find using FreeBSD jails to be extremely straightforward.

https://docs.freebsd.org/en/books/handbook/jails/

Re: Why laptop support, why now: FreeBSD's strategic move toward broader adoption

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post #42

Earlier quoted context omitted.

FreeBSD has supported containers since the 90s.

It would, however, be immensely useful to complete the work to run containerd with OCI images on top of jails, to the point that it's just a `pkg install`.

Agree
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