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Re: Boris Vallejo and the pixel art of the demoscene

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Post by Symbiote »

Dalewyn wrote: post #22
shermantanktop wrote: post #15

Earlier quoted context omitted.

I know these types of images take hold in a 13-year-old boy’s mind and make him a lifelong fan, and for anyone who lived through that particular time and place, I understand the appeal. But for most everyone else, this is some cheesy artwork. I say that as someone who read more than my share of Edgar Rice Burroughs. The article author himself realizes that the image he is copying has no narrative. Many of the images…

I'm not making any commentary on the art thereof. This is a forum hosted by venture capitalist investors and frequented primarily by IT professionals ("hackers"), unwittingly opening some NSFW material probably won't fly well in that kind of environment.

If this counts as NSFW, then browse with images enabled.

The National Gallery (of the UK) has this page one click from the homepage, "Our most famous paintings"

https://www.nationalgallery.org.uk/paintings/must-sees

Re: Boris Vallejo and the pixel art of the demoscene

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Post by winternewt »

shiroiushi wrote: post #33
erickhill wrote: post #11

It sincerely pleases me to see the Amiga so rightfully discussed in this article. In the 1980s, Amiga was a magical computer years ahead of so many of its peers (including the PC by miles). Sadly, the video capabilities that made it so special eventually became its Achilles heel.

>Sadly, the video capabilities that made it so special eventually became its Achilles heel. How weird: I was browsing YouTube last night (with the SmartTube app) and somehow stumbled on a video that discussed this exact thing, basically making the case that Wolfenstein 3D killed the Amiga and discussing how the unique video capabilities it had which were great for 2D side-scrollers made it so difficult to make a FPS…

It certainly has direct framebuffer access. But the bitplane representation where the bits of each pixel's value are spread out across multiple bytes can make certain kinds of updates very time consuming.

Re: Boris Vallejo and the pixel art of the demoscene

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Post by scotty79 »

shermantanktop wrote: post #15
Dalewyn wrote: post #2

Fair warning that some of the art is NSFW.

I know these types of images take hold in a 13-year-old boy’s mind and make him a lifelong fan, and for anyone who lived through that particular time and place, I understand the appeal. But for most everyone else, this is some cheesy artwork. I say that as someone who read more than my share of Edgar Rice Burroughs. The article author himself realizes that the image he is copying has no narrative. Many of the images…

All art is cheesy. If you briefly find any of it profound it's only because in some aspect you are briefly a 13 year old boy full of awe and excitement.

That's what "beauty is in the eye of the beholder" is diplomatically trying to say.

Re: Boris Vallejo and the pixel art of the demoscene

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Post by armitron »

shermantanktop wrote: post #15
Dalewyn wrote: post #2

Fair warning that some of the art is NSFW.

I know these types of images take hold in a 13-year-old boy’s mind and make him a lifelong fan, and for anyone who lived through that particular time and place, I understand the appeal. But for most everyone else, this is some cheesy artwork. I say that as someone who read more than my share of Edgar Rice Burroughs. The article author himself realizes that the image he is copying has no narrative. Many of the images…

Compare Vallejo to Frank Frazetta and it's immediately obvious why the latter is considered a master of fantastic art while the former is drifting towards obscurity.

Frazetta's art is full of tension [1] and energy [2] whilst Vallejo is simply drawing his circle of bodybuilders in various poses. The environments he paints have absolutely no effect on his posed subjects and the end-result is disconnected and comes across as "fake" in its intended setting as it evokes memories of bodybuilding gyms.

[1] https://www.frazettagirls.com/cdn/shop/products/frazettagirl...

[2] https://frank-frazetta.pixels.com/featured/the-destroyer-fra...

Re: Boris Vallejo and the pixel art of the demoscene

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Post by shiroiushi »

winternewt wrote: post #42
shiroiushi wrote: post #33

Earlier quoted context omitted.

>Sadly, the video capabilities that made it so special eventually became its Achilles heel. How weird: I was browsing YouTube last night (with the SmartTube app) and somehow stumbled on a video that discussed this exact thing, basically making the case that Wolfenstein 3D killed the Amiga and discussing how the unique video capabilities it had which were great for 2D side-scrollers made it so difficult to make a FPS…

It certainly has direct framebuffer access. But the bitplane representation where the bits of each pixel's value are spread out across multiple bytes can make certain kinds of updates very time consuming.

Yeah, that's what the video was discussing. Sorry, I got the terminology wrong.

Re: Boris Vallejo and the pixel art of the demoscene

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Post by Sander_Marechal »

skeptrune wrote: post #18
javajosh wrote: post #5

There's something touchingly innocent about Boris Vallejo's work. It is as if he is channeling the fantasies of a 13-year-old boy without shame, guilt or even self-consciousness. It is that rare artwork that is only about itself. It is like a picture that is run through iterative image generation using only the words "hotter" and "heroic" and "mysterious" over and over until an asymptote is reached. It seems pure and…

Never even occurred to me that this art style would be something an adult should be ashamed of, but makes complete sense now that I thought about it. Reminds me of recent space marines 2 drama.

I'm out-of-the-loop, what Space Marines 2 drama?

Re: Boris Vallejo and the pixel art of the demoscene

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Post by surfingdino »

Dalewyn wrote: post #22
shermantanktop wrote: post #15

Earlier quoted context omitted.

I know these types of images take hold in a 13-year-old boy’s mind and make him a lifelong fan, and for anyone who lived through that particular time and place, I understand the appeal. But for most everyone else, this is some cheesy artwork. I say that as someone who read more than my share of Edgar Rice Burroughs. The article author himself realizes that the image he is copying has no narrative. Many of the images…

I'm not making any commentary on the art thereof. This is a forum hosted by venture capitalist investors and frequented primarily by IT professionals ("hackers"), unwittingly opening some NSFW material probably won't fly well in that kind of environment.

So, you're telling us that NSFW material belongs in Kenya and other places curating content? https://time.com/6247678/openai-chatgpt-kenya-workers/ How hypocritical.

Re: Boris Vallejo and the pixel art of the demoscene

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Post by black_knight »

voidUpdate wrote: post #48

> "featuring idealistically rendered warriors and princesses, muscular and scantily clad (but not indecent)" Picture a couple of lines later shows two completely naked women. Might be considered "indecent"

I don’t think naked bodies are widely considered indecent in art. That’s just the puritans.

I think the line is usually drawn around explicitly sexual acts.

(I also don’t believe being indecent is necessarily a bad thing in art. It is sometimes just another effect which can be used.)

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