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Role of Deliberate Practice in the Development of Creativity (2014)

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Re: Role of Deliberate Practice in the Development of Creativity (2014)

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Earlier quoted context omitted.

Your comment adds nothing to the discussion, reveals your prejudice against social science, and could be copied and pasted anytime a non-rigorous subject comes up. I'm actually interested in criticisms of this work, but your comment doesn't even rise to that level.

guilty as charged ! But Bohm's "On Creativity", to me presents a much deeper "philosophical" take on a) what is creativity and b) how to foster it. And I dont see it referenced in this text at all. Again, since this is about persuation, it is what the reader wants to believe.

Comparative critique is far more persuasive than a series of baldly asserted and sweeping pejorations.

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These kind of studies are dubious. The PhD report could have been generated by an LLM in about a day, and no one would know any better. It works like this: Take any hypothesis. And have a lot of verbiage around it with dubious experiments to "statistically" validate it. and write a giant report which would eventually turn into a book. Steve Pinker and his likes excel in this kind of stuff. Psychology/Sociology and so…

Your comment adds nothing to the discussion, reveals your prejudice against social science, and could be copied and pasted anytime a non-rigorous subject comes up. I'm actually interested in criticisms of this work, but your comment doesn't even rise to that level.

I found that the line "science is a certain kind of persuassion" quite informative. I was not aware of such a skeptical thread of thought near science

Re: Role of Deliberate Practice in the Development of Creativity (2014)

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Earlier quoted context omitted.

Your comment adds nothing to the discussion, reveals your prejudice against social science, and could be copied and pasted anytime a non-rigorous subject comes up. I'm actually interested in criticisms of this work, but your comment doesn't even rise to that level.

I found that the line "science is a certain kind of persuassion" quite informative. I was not aware of such a skeptical thread of thought near science

The comment was edited after I commented, it was originally much less substantive, and is improved now.

Re: Role of Deliberate Practice in the Development of Creativity (2014)

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Earlier quoted context omitted.

Your comment adds nothing to the discussion, reveals your prejudice against social science, and could be copied and pasted anytime a non-rigorous subject comes up. I'm actually interested in criticisms of this work, but your comment doesn't even rise to that level.

I found that the line "science is a certain kind of persuassion" quite informative. I was not aware of such a skeptical thread of thought near science

End of the day, there are many belief systems that we human hold onto, but we need a method to settle opinion.

And science happens to be a certain kind of a method for settling opinion.

CS Peirce wrote about it so beautifully in his 1877 essay: "On the fixation of belief". go read it. here is a link saving you a google search. https://www.peirce.org/writings/p107.html

Re: Role of Deliberate Practice in the Development of Creativity (2014)

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While deliberate practice is undoubtedly crucial for developing creativity and expertise, I think there's an important nuance we often overlook - the role of diverse experiences and cross-pollination of ideas. Deliberate practice helps refine skills and deepen domain knowledge, but breakthrough creativity often comes from making unexpected connections between disparate fields. Some of history's most creative figures…

> the role of diverse experiences and cross-pollination of ideas

Add to this: giving room for ideas to grow: the more you wait, the more diverse and numerous the life experiences, all of them having the potential to shape those uncrystallized ideas.

Re: Role of Deliberate Practice in the Development of Creativity (2014)

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> In order to assess the difference between deliberate practice habits between elite-level performers and moderate-level performers, it was also necessary to recruit moderate-level performers. Hehe :) Edit: Very interesting read, with nice examples of both successful and unsuccessful artists in various fields. One key trait in becoming successful seems to be willing to put in the effort. This in turn seems to only wo…

Simone Weil body of work about attention can serve as a good starting point in this case. It is an answer that complements the usual disciplinary approach to effort, where a different kind of relation with the subject is developed where the interaction with it starts to be less effortful and more natural.

Take drawing for instance, which is something I practice actively. The act of putting effort in drawing is quite reductive as drawing is a broad area. Sure you can will yourself into drawing 100 faces and you will invariably be better at drawing faces, but it'll take you nowhere nearer being a more creative artist. But sometimes approaching drawing laterally, that is reaching to other techniques, subjects and skills (like shading, drawing lines, using pens and such...) might give you a broader set of tools that in turn will help increase the chances you will find something that catches your attention and absorbs you into it.

Sure you can get lost in the generics with lateral thinking and never reach a level of masterery that might be necessary for you to grow as an artist, so that is why attention isn't a replacement for discipline. You need both. But bottomline is that you also need to develop a relation with the subject that will reduce resistances, increase satisfaction and make it more likely that you will get absorbed by the task at hand.

Re: Role of Deliberate Practice in the Development of Creativity (2014)

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post #32

These kind of studies are dubious. The PhD report could have been generated by an LLM in about a day, and no one would know any better. It works like this: Take any hypothesis. And have a lot of verbiage around it with dubious experiments to "statistically" validate it. and write a giant report which would eventually turn into a book. Steve Pinker and his likes excel in this kind of stuff. Psychology/Sociology and so…

Your comment adds nothing to the discussion, reveals your prejudice against social science, and could be copied and pasted anytime a non-rigorous subject comes up. I'm actually interested in criticisms of this work, but your comment doesn't even rise to that level.

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Re: Role of Deliberate Practice in the Development of Creativity (2014)

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It's helpful to know the dissertation hails from UTexas' department of advertising. In that context, 'creativity' is not about artists using imagination, cognition, and innovation to surprise or enlighten or edify. It's about creating better spam.

Re: Role of Deliberate Practice in the Development of Creativity (2014)

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It's helpful to know the dissertation hails from UTexas' department of advertising. In that context, 'creativity' is not about artists using imagination, cognition, and innovation to surprise or enlighten or edify. It's about creating better spam.

Creativity can and will be applied for the most horrendous destructive things.

See: wars, arms, drugs.

It's all on how you held those tools.

I hate advertising too tho lol

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