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Re: Show HN: JSON For You – Visualize JSON in graph or table views

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Post by Aldipower »

loggerhead wrote: post #40
metalliqaz wrote: post #38

I miss the days when this kind of tool would be something I could just install on my PC and use, rather than having to spin up server or pay a fee to use ($10 a month!?). Like this wonderful tool: https://sqlitebrowser.org/ OSS is dead.

I think the main reason is the rapid development of web technologies, which has significantly reduced the cost of developing software with a GUI. And web technologies are best suited for the web itself, whereas running locally would introduce additional development costs.

The "rapid" in development of web technologies is a lie.

Re: Show HN: JSON For You – Visualize JSON in graph or table views

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Post by corytheboyd »

jsyang00 wrote: post #35

It's a great tool, but no one is going to want to pay $10/mo for it. You will get a better ROI if you replace the pricing with a link to your socials/ website.

I don’t get this point, but I 100% agree that a tool turning JSON into graphical views asking for a subscription is a blatant grift. You should be selling one-time payment perpetual licenses IMO.

You’re competing in a very crowded market of generally free tools. Unless your offering is VERY good you’re going to struggle selling at all… $5-10 maybe? That’s about as much as I’d be willing to pay for a hyper-specific tool like this if it makes one of my tasks at hand a little easier.

Re: Show HN: JSON For You – Visualize JSON in graph or table views

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Post by loggerhead »

kragen wrote: post #37
loggerhead wrote: post #30

Earlier quoted context omitted.

You can try my website, I guarantee you'll be satisfied, haha.

i don't think it can do everything visidata can do

Indeed, JSON For You is significantly behind visidata in handling table data compared to it. Their focuses are different, perhaps I can learn some highlights from its design. However, if you have needs for JSON processing, you might want to give JSON For You a try, haha.

Re: Show HN: JSON For You – Visualize JSON in graph or table views

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Post by bath_ »

poopsmithe wrote: post #19

I have a UX complaint about the carousel images on https://json4u.com/ While I was looking at the image and trying to understand, the carousel moved to the next image. It's too fast, and I can't get back to the first image without it immediately switching me to the second image. I can't get it to sit still either and NOT switch to the next image. Some carousels pause themselves when the cursor is hovering over it, bu…

The pricing icons under the "free" section are also a bit confusing. I'm not sure at a glance that I'm getting or not getting "30/month graph mode view".

Re: Show HN: JSON For You – Visualize JSON in graph or table views

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Post by loggerhead »

corytheboyd wrote: post #42
jsyang00 wrote: post #35

It's a great tool, but no one is going to want to pay $10/mo for it. You will get a better ROI if you replace the pricing with a link to your socials/ website.

I don’t get this point, but I 100% agree that a tool turning JSON into graphical views asking for a subscription is a blatant grift. You should be selling one-time payment perpetual licenses IMO. You’re competing in a very crowded market of generally free tools. Unless your offering is VERY good you’re going to struggle selling at all… $5-10 maybe? That’s about as much as I’d be willing to pay for a hyper-specific to…

I understand your point, but I believe that a one-time payment is not conducive to its ongoing development. Think about it, if you charge all the money at once, where does the motivation to continue updating come from after a year or two? But indeed, there is an issue with pricing. You mentioned the $5-$10 price range for a perpetual license, right? If it were a subscription model, how much would you be willing to pay per month?

Re: Show HN: JSON For You – Visualize JSON in graph or table views

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Post by loggerhead »

Aldipower wrote: post #41
loggerhead wrote: post #40

Earlier quoted context omitted.

I think the main reason is the rapid development of web technologies, which has significantly reduced the cost of developing software with a GUI. And web technologies are best suited for the web itself, whereas running locally would introduce additional development costs.

The "rapid" in development of web technologies is a lie.

Haha, that's a sharp critique, and I've also felt that the development of the web isn't fast enough. But actually, when you think about the web from ten years ago, or even twenty years ago, there has been significant progress.

Re: Show HN: JSON For You – Visualize JSON in graph or table views

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Post by voshond »

loggerhead wrote: post #45
corytheboyd wrote: post #42

Earlier quoted context omitted.

I don’t get this point, but I 100% agree that a tool turning JSON into graphical views asking for a subscription is a blatant grift. You should be selling one-time payment perpetual licenses IMO. You’re competing in a very crowded market of generally free tools. Unless your offering is VERY good you’re going to struggle selling at all… $5-10 maybe? That’s about as much as I’d be willing to pay for a hyper-specific to…

I understand your point, but I believe that a one-time payment is not conducive to its ongoing development. Think about it, if you charge all the money at once, where does the motivation to continue updating come from after a year or two? But indeed, there is an issue with pricing. You mentioned the $5-$10 price range for a perpetual license, right? If it were a subscription model, how much would you be willing to pa…

Never argue with a customer. The customer doesn’t give 2 cent about your motivation, it’s not their job. When I saw the pricing I had a good laugh and moved on.

If the only motivation for this product is money, then it will die in no time. Comparing the value I’m getting to the 7€ / month on Amazon prime, or the 10€ for Apple Music – that’s the value perception you’re competing against.

If you tell me you need 120€ a year from multiple customers to maintain and improve a json app good luck. One time purchase – get access – done. You can later upsell me with even more features in a v2 or whatever. I also doubt this tool has a lot of running costs to warrant this much.

Maybe if you work in SF and you make 300k a year so 10 bucks don’t mean much, but for the rest of the world 10$ is a lot of money / month.

Re: Show HN: JSON For You – Visualize JSON in graph or table views

#48

Post by kragen »

loggerhead wrote: post #43
kragen wrote: post #37

Earlier quoted context omitted.

i don't think it can do everything visidata can do

Indeed, JSON For You is significantly behind visidata in handling table data compared to it. Their focuses are different, perhaps I can learn some highlights from its design. However, if you have needs for JSON processing, you might want to give JSON For You a try, haha.

visidata can handle arbitrary json data, even if it's not tabular in form, but there are a lot of things i don't know how to do with it. json4u's jq support looks like an improvement, for example. but many of those things are probably things vd can do but that i just haven't learned how to do yet

Re: Show HN: JSON For You – Visualize JSON in graph or table views

#49

Post by breck »

Love it! I can see the love put into this.

Snappy, a lot of features. The diff tool seems useful.

The vis tool was neat but I don't often have that need.

I did get it to crash when I dumped a JSON file containing data on every programming language ever made.

Here's my user test: https://news.pub/?try=https://www.youtube.com/embed/ERpyG_f2...

Re: Show HN: JSON For You – Visualize JSON in graph or table views

#50

Post by loggerhead »

bath_ wrote: post #44
poopsmithe wrote: post #19

I have a UX complaint about the carousel images on https://json4u.com/ While I was looking at the image and trying to understand, the carousel moved to the next image. It's too fast, and I can't get back to the first image without it immediately switching me to the second image. I can't get it to sit still either and NOT switch to the next image. Some carousels pause themselves when the cursor is hovering over it, bu…

The pricing icons under the "free" section are also a bit confusing. I'm not sure at a glance that I'm getting or not getting "30/month graph mode view".

Oh, my bad. I'll change it.
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