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iPhone 16 demand is so weak that employees can already buy it on discount

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Re: iPhone 16 demand is so weak that employees can already buy it on discount

#41

Remake the form factor of the 4S and we’ll talk. That’s the last phone that was comfortable to hold.

Apple listened. They made the 12 Mini and it sold poorly. But persevered and released the 13 Mini. Again, it sold poorly, so they gave up. Don’t blame Apple here, vast majority want gigantic phones.

I hear you and I agree on the surface but I really wish Apple better understood 2 things:

1. Not every device can be your best seller

2. Some product categories are important to fill even if sales are low (even very low)

Apple doesn’t release per-device breakdowns so it’s hard to have conversations on this topic but I’d bet money that the Mini (or another example: the Mac Pro) sold at levels that most companies would drool over.

Re: iPhone 16 demand is so weak that employees can already buy it on discount

#42

Perhaps Apple should take a hint that no one wants so-called AI features training on a device with intimate access to their lives. Whatever the final reality of feature availability, the conceptual damage had been done: Apple was bandwagon leaping and we had no choice. I will never buy another Apple device for other reasons, not least of which are the short support period and ever increasing enshittification of the o…

If anything the low numbers could be due to AI feature not being available at launch, not the other way around. I’ve not seen any coverage on “people not buying the iPhone due to AI features”.

> short support

Uh what? Apple set the bar for phone support, only recently did other manufactures catch up (or get closer).

Re: iPhone 16 demand is so weak that employees can already buy it on discount

#43

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Then they shouldn't release one every year.

Why not? They can release a slightly improved version every year. I know that some people feel obliged to stay on the "latest version" and buy a new iphone every year, but it's their decision.

It would reduce this compulsive behaviour, reduce the waste of boxes and transport, reduce industrial complexity and costs.

Re: iPhone 16 demand is so weak that employees can already buy it on discount

#44

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Why not? They can release a slightly improved version every year. I know that some people feel obliged to stay on the "latest version" and buy a new iphone every year, but it's their decision.

It would reduce this compulsive behaviour, reduce the waste of boxes and transport, reduce industrial complexity and costs.

Their ability to manage the "industrial complexity" is an incredible competitive advantage, and means than in consumer comparisons among flagship models, theirs is rarely behind. This would not be the case if they had every other year releases, that would leave the off years open to attack by, say, Samsung, "Why buy last year's phone when you can get a current model?"

It doesn't mean consumers are or have to update every year, it's about having something up to date when the consumer goes phone shopping.

As for reducing compulsive behavior, nobody's forcing anyone to update. If one looks beneath the glass, Apple generally updates on a "tick tock" (more obvious when every other model was called "S").

Look back at the S years, and you see those generally tried out the new camera systems and other non-phone internals, while the integer models were the phone capability updates. Folks more interested in the camera or processing tended to upgrade on S years, folks wanting "new" designs or looking for mobile (radio) updates tended to upgrade on integer years. Apple still does this, though a less clear tick tock, and are now cascading these features.

Think of it as a kind of "canary" release channel, with the "Pro" features being constrained production till it ramps, and those same features can go in the next cycle's base model (as made clear across the 14, 15, and 16 models' feature cascade.

Once they have this cascade flowing, it allows a much longer subcomponent life cycle (as the subcomponents can be used across multiple generations without having to do a repackage. That's fantastic for reducing waste reduction, industrial complexity, defraying costs across many model years, all the things you say you want.

Automobiles do a similar thing with their "platforms" that change slowly and are used across models or even across badges, even as "model years" refresh each year. It's far more efficient for both pre-assembly and post sale supply chains.

Re: iPhone 16 demand is so weak that employees can already buy it on discount

#45

Remake the form factor of the 4S and we’ll talk. That’s the last phone that was comfortable to hold.

SE's seem to have problems with many websites that blithely assume larger form factors. Not a blocker tho.

Re: iPhone 16 demand is so weak that employees can already buy it on discount

#46
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The 13 Mini was also a nice size. Impossible to find nowadays. Apparently 95% of users want big phones.

I get that some people spend their lives on their phones, but myself, with desktop, laptop and big hands, I don't want to carry half a tablet in my pocket to text people and play music. I adore my 12 Mini. I just wish it felt as thin as the 8

It seems most who are not using tech professionally don't particularly want or habituate all the multiple devices, and as such, the phone becomes their "tablet" experience. No desktop, no laptop, if there's an ipad it's in a different room, the bigger screen of the phone means they only reach for the one thing.

Re: iPhone 16 demand is so weak that employees can already buy it on discount

#47

Remake the form factor of the 4S and we’ll talk. That’s the last phone that was comfortable to hold.

How was the form factor of 4S different than 4? I think the ridges on the sides were placed differently but that can’t honestly be something you care about?

The 4s married both the design refresh and a generational internals upgrade, arguably Apple's first "perfect" (for its time) iPhone.

https://everymac.com/systems/apple/iphone/iphone-faq/differe...

Re: iPhone 16 demand is so weak that employees can already buy it on discount

#48
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How many people got screwed in the last 2 iPhone generations on carriers moving from a 24 month carrier financing model to 36 month carrier financing with "bill credit" promotions? I fathom a lot of people have a sour taste about wanting to trade in and get stuck with this phone for the next 3 years.

If you don't "trade in" you can switch to Apple's CIT-backed financing that then Apple runs a single financing with an annual device refresh+trade-in tied to an annual financing refresh at the same monthly rate.

(If you trade in, starting this is not among their offers. Perhaps the deal term or finance amount is too low to make the economics work, or more likely, would confuse consumers at the one year mark when the payments needed to go up.)

Re: iPhone 16 demand is so weak that employees can already buy it on discount

#49

Have iPhone XS Max, am I missing anything?

Serious question, serious answer: only camera low light and lens upgrades unless you're trying to run last year's AAA mobile games. Arguably no other differences are particularly noticeable -- other than the "always on" screen and mag-safe mounting + charging.

Something you're probably not missing: SIM slots. The new models, in the US, are missing SIM slots.

Re: iPhone 16 demand is so weak that employees can already buy it on discount

#50

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Apple listened. They made the 12 Mini and it sold poorly. But persevered and released the 13 Mini. Again, it sold poorly, so they gave up. Don’t blame Apple here, vast majority want gigantic phones.

I hear you and I agree on the surface but I really wish Apple better understood 2 things: 1. Not every device can be your best seller 2. Some product categories are important to fill even if sales are low (even very low) Apple doesn’t release per-device breakdowns so it’s hard to have conversations on this topic but I’d bet money that the Mini (or another example: the Mac Pro) sold at levels that most companies would…

But is a sale of a mini at the cost of a non-mini? Like if 3/4 of the mini buyer would have just gotten the next smallest form factor then you might not want the large time responsibility of another product.
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