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Hezbollah hand-held radios detonate across Lebanon, sources say

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Re: Hezbollah hand-held radios detonate across Lebanon, sources say

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Post by leoqa »

miohtama wrote: post #29
tptacek wrote: post #8

Saying this "further heightened tensions" between Israel and Hezbollah is like saying Jason "further heightened tensions" with the campers at Camp Crystal Lake. Can you imagine what must be like to be a rank-and-file Hezbollah soldier at this point? What the fuck is going to happen tomorrow? I'd throw away my socks.

I know HN is not a place for political commentary, but why Israel would do it now when everyone tries to make them de-escalate?

Israel is in their 9/11 moment and is not backing down due to international hand wringing. Ultimately it’s a test of the international institutions and US government support.

Re: Hezbollah hand-held radios detonate across Lebanon, sources say

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Post by tptacek »

steventhedev wrote: post #10

Please note that this is distinct from yesterday's incident - these are for a different set of communication devices - from what I can see, they went off at 16:58 local time - notably 2 minutes prior to Nasrallah's planned speech on the first incident.

Apparently, these are ICOM devices --- you have in your head maybe like a police walkie talkie from the 80s, but these things are smaller than flip-phones, a little smaller than the palm of your hand.

Re: Hezbollah hand-held radios detonate across Lebanon, sources say

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Post by datameta »

golergka wrote: post #27
morwanger wrote: post #20

Earlier quoted context omitted.

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This is war. Any hostile action in armed conflict can, and will, have collateral damage to the innocent. Acts of terror and war crimes are determined by who is targeted, what precautions are taken to minimise collateral damage, and how significant is the military target compared to expected collateral damage. If you don't want to kill any innocent civilians, your only course of action is not to offer any resistance t…

That last paragraph is disingenuous at best because there is a miles-wide valley of options between setting off explosives in peoples' pockets and surrender.

Re: Hezbollah hand-held radios detonate across Lebanon, sources say

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Post by tptacek »

Zironic wrote: post #39
technics256 wrote: post #13

A second day! I can't believe the full up and down owning of the communications supply chain. Makes Hezbollah look like a clown show.

Now we don't yet know which radios exactly these are. But more likely then not, wouldn't these be from the exact same supply chain attack and maybe even come in the same shipment?

I'm looking at pictures on my MidEast Twitter TL, with legit reporters RT'ing them, of palm-sized slim ICOM radios.

Re: Hezbollah hand-held radios detonate across Lebanon, sources say

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Post by ngcazz »

miohtama wrote: post #29
tptacek wrote: post #8

Saying this "further heightened tensions" between Israel and Hezbollah is like saying Jason "further heightened tensions" with the campers at Camp Crystal Lake. Can you imagine what must be like to be a rank-and-file Hezbollah soldier at this point? What the fuck is going to happen tomorrow? I'd throw away my socks.

I know HN is not a place for political commentary, but why Israel would do it now when everyone tries to make them de-escalate?

If there is a pressure to have Israel de-escalate, this must be it.

Zero accountability, forever. This is as grim as it gets.

Re: Hezbollah hand-held radios detonate across Lebanon, sources say

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Post by vksixyb »

These sorts of attacks are going to hurt a lot of innocent people. How do they control the munitions and ensure they limit civilian casualties? (I suspect they do not.)

It also seems to be lionized in the media as something "impressive" and not "contemptible". I'm not saying it cannot be both! It could be contemptible and impressive, but the media seems comfortable just being impressed.

If North Korea or Iran or Russia pulled this off against another military, would we all still be here discussing only the technical parts of the attack? I suspect not. Maybe I'm wrong, but I suspect there'd be a lot more condemnation.

Re: Hezbollah hand-held radios detonate across Lebanon, sources say

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Post by docdeek »

Jordanpomeroy wrote: post #23

I have to admit that, as a hack, the amount of planning, technical integration, and apparently flawless execution must have required an awesome amount of effort by very intelligent people. As a human being though, this is revolting. A new avenue of mass destruction. I sure hope I am never around someone a Mossad-like organization wants to kill.

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Re: Hezbollah hand-held radios detonate across Lebanon, sources say

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Post by flyinglizard »

miohtama wrote: post #29
tptacek wrote: post #8

Saying this "further heightened tensions" between Israel and Hezbollah is like saying Jason "further heightened tensions" with the campers at Camp Crystal Lake. Can you imagine what must be like to be a rank-and-file Hezbollah soldier at this point? What the fuck is going to happen tomorrow? I'd throw away my socks.

I know HN is not a place for political commentary, but why Israel would do it now when everyone tries to make them de-escalate?

De-escalation wouldn't solve the problem of an Islamic militia with the declared goal of destroying Israel and the military capabilities somewhere in the world top-20 armies sitting right on Israel's northern border. As far as Israel is concerned, Hezbollah needs to be removed and pushed back away. If this doesn't register with common sense alone, then this view is also backed by UN security council resolution 1701.

Re: Hezbollah hand-held radios detonate across Lebanon, sources say

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Post by scottiebarnes »

golergka wrote: post #19
datameta wrote: post #15

If it walks like terrorism, and quacks like terrorism... I struggle to understand how they're imagining they're obviating the optics of this, unless they don't care what the dissenting population in Israel thinks (or the world for that matter) until "it is done".

Can you explain how ultra targeted, small explosive charges quack terrorism? I have been reading comments like this yesterday, and I'm completely bewildered as to how any sane person could come to this conclusion. Did you consider the US operation to take down Bin Laden an act of terrorism too?

To be ultra targeted you actually have to know where your target is when your bomb goes off. When you detonate thousands at once, you're simply accepting the civilian casualty risk.
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