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Re: LinkedIn blocked due Meshtastic video in private chat

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Post by AStonesThrow »

bsder wrote: post #10
zero-sharp wrote: post #6

I've always wondered about this. What happens if one of the big tech companies makes a mistake and closes your account? LinkedIn is pretty important nowadays when searching for work. Would you be able to make a new account? If not, that seems like a pretty big deal. Same concern with your email, or any of the other big services that we usually depend on. If I just suddenly lost my gmail, I would probably lose access…

> What happens if one of the big tech companies makes a mistake and closes your account? LinkedIn is pretty important nowadays when searching for work. Would you be able to make a new account? If not, that seems like a pretty big deal. You are screwed, and it is a big deal. However, until some ambulance chaser manages to corral the affected people into a class action lawsuit and win, there will be no change. > Same c…

What if your domain registrar is the one to cut you off? What if AWS or some cloud provider kills your self-hosted VPS? What if your ISP or mobile phone provider does it?

So many fragile layers to our indispensable digital lives; we all walk on eggshells. I'm paranoid about backups and redundancy, but I'd be devastated by a single lockout.

Re: LinkedIn blocked due Meshtastic video in private chat

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Post by zahlman »

devjab wrote: post #23
rlayton2 wrote: post #11

Earlier quoted context omitted.

This happens regularly (perhaps not frequently) to people with their Gmail account. Google's AI says no, and there are very few people reporting successfully navigating the system to get their account back. This is one of the anti-google arguments, the other main one being they kill big projects all the time. You are right though, it can be crippling, and this thinking part of your personal (and business) risk profil…

I had my YouTube account banned because I changed the channel name into something that trigged their AI. Maybe it was that I’ve never uploaded a video or written a comment? Who knows. Anyway I was fully expecting to have lost my account (and my playlists) forever based on the bad reputation Google has, but when I clicked the “do you disagree with this” appeal thing it took very little time to have my account restored…

YouTube refused to let me create an account (after some trial and error) with the word "angry" in the channel name.

Re: LinkedIn blocked due Meshtastic video in private chat

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Post by ketzo »

scblock wrote: post #37
kevin_thibedeau wrote: post #28

This is precisely what would have happened if Apple had gotten away with their distributed image hashing scheme. Only in that case the falsely accused would be sent immediately through the justice system and forced to spend a fortune to defend themselves on the assumption that they were hiding the evidence.

Citation needed.

The NYT published a very well-reported case (two cases, actually) of Google doing this more than two years ago. This is not a hypothetical -- this is already happening.

https://www.nytimes.com/2022/08/21/technology/google-surveil...

Re: LinkedIn blocked due Meshtastic video in private chat

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Post by 3ln00b »

kevin_thibedeau wrote: post #28

This is precisely what would have happened if Apple had gotten away with their distributed image hashing scheme. Only in that case the falsely accused would be sent immediately through the justice system and forced to spend a fortune to defend themselves on the assumption that they were hiding the evidence.

Already happened with me, my Amazon account is essentially locked. I changed my phone number and don't have access to my old number anymore and the existing number is apparently associated with some other Amazon account so they can't do anything about it. I stopped using Amazon altogether, I just request my brother to order stuff I want.

Re: LinkedIn blocked due Meshtastic video in private chat

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Post by bsder »

AStonesThrow wrote: post #41
bsder wrote: post #10

Earlier quoted context omitted.

> What happens if one of the big tech companies makes a mistake and closes your account? LinkedIn is pretty important nowadays when searching for work. Would you be able to make a new account? If not, that seems like a pretty big deal. You are screwed, and it is a big deal. However, until some ambulance chaser manages to corral the affected people into a class action lawsuit and win, there will be no change. > Same c…

What if your domain registrar is the one to cut you off? What if AWS or some cloud provider kills your self-hosted VPS? What if your ISP or mobile phone provider does it? So many fragile layers to our indispensable digital lives; we all walk on eggshells. I'm paranoid about backups and redundancy, but I'd be devastated by a single lockout.

> What if your domain registrar is the one to cut you off?

Then you're fucked. What do you want me to say?

That having been said, domain registrars seem to be FAR less likely to do an automated AI rugpull than hosted services from Google, Microsoft, Facebook, etc.

Re: LinkedIn blocked due Meshtastic video in private chat

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Post by estebarb »

kybernetyk wrote: post #40
imglorp wrote: post #4

So what's the implication here? Is Microsoft/LI unhappy about Ukraine content? Mesh content? Mesh in Ukraine? Or did the TOS bot have a false positive?

I think the culprit is "edge" and not some Kremlin takeover of the flagging AI

But Edge is a browser by Microsoft! Imagine getting banned for working there.

Re: LinkedIn blocked due Meshtastic video in private chat

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Post by psychoslave »

KetoManx64 wrote: post #14
cynicalsecurity wrote: post #5

Welcome to a brave new world of digital fascism and mass surveillance. Why does every message have to be scanned with AI? Since when WeChat behaviour has become an example for the Western social media? You don't scan all user private messages with AI, you give your users a report button which they can press if they don't like a message. Only then you can take any other measures. That's is.

How is Microsoft going to train their new AI models without using all your chats as part of the training data though? If you're not paying for the product, then you are the product.. And LinkedIn is "free" as in beer.

Rather free as super salted bretzel and drinks are available to buy, tightly tied to the only store still running in the global town: we may never have to subscribe for a paid account, but LinkedIn clearly is pushing for many features only available if we pay.

As wage slaves, of course we are products right from the start. So on that side at least it conceptually aligns that we are LinkedIn products.

Re: LinkedIn blocked due Meshtastic video in private chat

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Post by seszett »

totetsu wrote: post #13
13of40 wrote: post #3

Not sure I'm totally understanding here, but it sounds like LinkedIn turned on (probably AI-based) porn scanning on messages, there was a false positive, and the guy wasn't able to escalate to support. Is there an implication that it was blocked for political reasons?

It’s not porn, it’s mixed use technology. The persons decentralized LORA radio messaging platform, is another persons disaster resilience platform, is another persons hobby project, is another persons anti censorship tool, is another persons improvised frontline communications tool, is another persons counter-terrorism ai ban hammer trigger.

LinkedIn's message is:

> Message removed for adult nudity and sexual activity

Re: LinkedIn blocked due Meshtastic video in private chat

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Post by eastbound »

coffeefirst wrote: post #36
zero-sharp wrote: post #6

I've always wondered about this. What happens if one of the big tech companies makes a mistake and closes your account? LinkedIn is pretty important nowadays when searching for work. Would you be able to make a new account? If not, that seems like a pretty big deal. Same concern with your email, or any of the other big services that we usually depend on. If I just suddenly lost my gmail, I would probably lose access…

Yep, it would be a huge mess. This is what lead me to switch to Fastmail. If it's _essential_, it's probably worth paying for to ensure you have real support. It just so happens that Fastmail is also puts out an excellent product.

Fastmail is excellent, but for business purpose… they lack Google Docs, Meet, Drive, Chrome (so you have to create a Google account anyway if you want to save your Chrome bookmarks) and being the major SSO provider on the market.

Re: LinkedIn blocked due Meshtastic video in private chat

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Post by treyd »

zero-sharp wrote: post #6

I've always wondered about this. What happens if one of the big tech companies makes a mistake and closes your account? LinkedIn is pretty important nowadays when searching for work. Would you be able to make a new account? If not, that seems like a pretty big deal. Same concern with your email, or any of the other big services that we usually depend on. If I just suddenly lost my gmail, I would probably lose access…

> LinkedIn is pretty important nowadays when searching for work.

This is only true if people repeat it and believe it to be true.

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