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Janet Jackson had the power to crash laptop computers (2022)

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Re: Janet Jackson had the power to crash laptop computers (2022)

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Earlier quoted context omitted.

There's a footnote indicated by the superscript 1 in your quote: > ¹ Follow-up 2: Yes, I know that the Tacoma Narrows Bridge collapse was not the result of resonance, but I felt I had to drop the reference to forestall the “You forgot to mention the Tacoma Narrows Bridge!” comments. Damned if you do, damned if you don't, and damned if you do both, even.

Considering "follow-up" wording, it might have been added later, and might not really be true — but the important thing is that there is a correction now. So it's good a commenter here posted about it, because this might have led to the clarification being put in in the first place.

The commenter quoted a section of text that included a reference (the mentioned superscript 1) to the footnote, it was already there.

Re: Janet Jackson had the power to crash laptop computers (2022)

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“ I would not have wanted to be in the laboratory that they must have set up to investigate this problem. Not an artistic judgement.” Then what is it?

A desire to generally not listen to one song loudly over and over? I think after the 1000th time, anyone is going to fall out of love with any song.

My car stereo likes to automatically play the first alphabetical song in my phone's music library when I start it. Kind of annoying, but not enough to replace it over.

Re: Janet Jackson had the power to crash laptop computers (2022)

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This is a fun article but seriously lacking in details... musical frequencies crashing hard drives, including hard drives of laptops within earshot? That's a pretty extraordinary bug so I hoped there would be more elaboration. I also wonder if that patch to block those frequencies is still in effect.

I wouldn't call it a "bug", more "unfortunate physics". Still possible to guard against that, specifically. (There will always be more "unfortunate physics", for example I bet that the hard disk also fails if I smash it against a wall at 100mph, but nobody's going do care designing a consumer HD that stops exhibiting that specific behavior.)

I'm not sure that the definition of "bug" is so narrow as to exclude unfortunate physics, given that it began as literal bugs before becoming metaphorical bugs. Erroneous human influences on software seems slightly farther from the original than peculiar physical influences on hardware!

Re: Janet Jackson had the power to crash laptop computers (2022)

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> "Don't put laptops on here." With an explanation why not? I feel like having that, instead of a "Here Be Dragons" note would be more helpful, so someone won't ignore the sign thinking "It'll be fine". Also it'd be funny if the sign is still there even though all* laptops have SSDs now...

> so someone won't ignore the sign thinking "It'll be fine". If they do whatever happens is on them for assuming that.

Presumably the goal is the avoid broken laptops, not to worry about who it's on.

Re: Janet Jackson had the power to crash laptop computers (2022)

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5400rpm laptop hard drives were notoriously sensitive to external force because of their thin metal construction and low power motor. I remember having a MacBook Pro with a Toshiba 5400rpm hard drive that failed shortly after I rested it on an HVAC unit in our server closet (the HVAC unit happened to be the perfect height off the floor for doing work while standing). Just to be sure that was the cause, I had the driv…

Not hard drive related AFAIK, but I used to work in a media lab with about 30 mac desktops of around the powermac g4 vintage. We noticed that the macs were rebooting unexpectedly when certain people were in the room. After a bit of observation we worked out that the call button on our walkie talkies could trigger a reboot from a couple of feet away, which turned out to be an awesome superpower if you'd had a gobful f…

I used to enjoy the fact that Intel iMacs came with a remote control that could be used to put the mac into “media mode” but that wasn’t paired to a specific Mac to mess with co-workers in the room by putting them in media mode inexplicably.

Re: Janet Jackson had the power to crash laptop computers (2022)

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This is a fun article but seriously lacking in details... musical frequencies crashing hard drives, including hard drives of laptops within earshot? That's a pretty extraordinary bug so I hoped there would be more elaboration. I also wonder if that patch to block those frequencies is still in effect.

The follow up article has more details:

https://devblogs.microsoft.com/oldnewthing/20220920-00/?p=10...

Re: Janet Jackson had the power to crash laptop computers (2022)

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The manufacturer worked around the problem by adding a custom filter in the audio pipeline that detected and removed the offending frequencies during audio playback.

Too bad the manufacturer wasn't named; I quckly looked through a few laptop schematics from that era and didn't find anything that stood out as being a notch filter.

Re: Janet Jackson had the power to crash laptop computers (2022)

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Earlier quoted context omitted.

> so someone won't ignore the sign thinking "It'll be fine". If they do whatever happens is on them for assuming that.

Presumably the goal is the avoid broken laptops, not to worry about who it's on.

I wonder if there is a name for the phenomenon where people do something that leads to negative consequences but they technically "did everything right". I have a friend who crosses the street without looking both ways and his argument is that if a car hits him "they're in the wrong", as if an accident doesn't occur that way.

Re: Janet Jackson had the power to crash laptop computers (2022)

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The manufacturer worked around the problem by adding a custom filter in the audio pipeline that detected and removed the offending frequencies during audio playback. Too bad the manufacturer wasn't named; I quckly looked through a few laptop schematics from that era and didn't find anything that stood out as being a notch filter.

You wouldn't see it on the schematics, it's in the driver.
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