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Microwave spontaneously turned on by its LED display

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Re: Microwave spontaneously turned on by its LED display

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post #15

Earlier quoted context omitted.

The thing is, the superior way to reheat something would usually be a lower power level. But not the standard "turn on - turn off" cycle that most microwaves do. Actual lower intensity microwaves. You need an inverter for that. The food would heat more evenly, which is especially useful for things like butter that are prone to splattering.

I bought a microwave a couple of months ago, and found it impossible to determine which if any of the cheaper ones were inverter microwaves, or if they just used duty cycle power control. I assume that distinction is only made with higher-end microwaves. In the end I went with the model that looked to have the simplest design and least things to break.

If it doesn’t say, it’s not inverter

Re: Microwave spontaneously turned on by its LED display

#42
There exists only one correct design of microwave ovens. It has zero ICs. It has exactly two direct user-inputs and one indirect.

The two dials select on-time and duty-cycle (cooking time and "power"). The third input is the safety switch which deactivates the cycle when the door opens.

This design is the most userfriendly, the most economic and the most reliable.

This is the hill I will die on.

Re: Microwave spontaneously turned on by its LED display

#43
post #10

I migrated our house to a "commercial" variant of the microwave oven [1] as I was tired of all the over-engineering and annoying patterns in modern microwaves. This microwave has exactly UI element other than the door - a digital dial that goes from 10s-6m. No start/cancel, no power level, no defrost, no program mode. I don't "cook" using the oven, only reheat or very rarely heat/boil small quantities of water. The m…

I opened my microwave and cut the piezo buzzer out with wire cutters.

I have never regretted doing my "silent microwave mod".

Re: Microwave spontaneously turned on by its LED display

#44
post #36

Fascinating in that our GE microwave (still actively sold) has an undisclosed feature that if you lift the door, when fully closed, by no more than a few mm, the microwave will start. I noticed this when cleaning the enclosure with a rag and my hand ever so slightly lifted up the door from the bottom. I can see how a consumer could wedge a kitchen utensil or plate accidentally under the microwave causing it to start…

They mention that in the article but assure that the magneton does not run.

Indeed, nothing is heating in this state.

Re: Microwave spontaneously turned on by its LED display

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We recently got rid of a four year old microwave where the magnetron turned on spontaneously and silently when the door was closed, runaway heating the box. Control panel, lights, turntable, fan, everything is idle. Manufacturer didn't consider this an interesting defect and refused to swap out-of-warranty. The lack of give-a-shit in appliances is becoming apparent.

>The lack of give-a-shit in appliances is becoming apparent.

Because most budget name brand kitchen appliances are just rebadged Haier/Midea OEM designs. I know HN has a hate boner for Samsung and LG appliances but for me they seem to be the most trustworthy budget appliances since at least they have their own designs instead of rebadging Chinese OEM ones like the rest.

Sure, if you have money you can go with a reputable brand like Bosch & Siemens, and if you have even more money you can go with Miele, but for one, not everyone has money, and two, I've even noticed even Bosch appliances made in Germany still have some issues due to poor design.

Re: Microwave spontaneously turned on by its LED display

#46
post #10

I migrated our house to a "commercial" variant of the microwave oven [1] as I was tired of all the over-engineering and annoying patterns in modern microwaves. This microwave has exactly UI element other than the door - a digital dial that goes from 10s-6m. No start/cancel, no power level, no defrost, no program mode. I don't "cook" using the oven, only reheat or very rarely heat/boil small quantities of water. The m…

"Dumb" microwaves (knob for modes, big knob with mechanical winding spring for the time) in general easily last over 20 years, we had to dispose of ours only because the plastic became disgusting from standing in a sunny spot for all its life

Re: Microwave spontaneously turned on by its LED display

#47
post #25

Earlier quoted context omitted.

It's so limited without a power level feature. It needs to be able to cycle power to heat food evenly.

It does heat food as evenly (possibly more evenly) than my other microwaves.

Some microwaves have a wave deflector which causes the wave to be less uniform in the cage and thus heat more evenly and not with 12.5cm standing wave intervals.

Re: Microwave spontaneously turned on by its LED display

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We recently got rid of a four year old microwave where the magnetron turned on spontaneously and silently when the door was closed, runaway heating the box. Control panel, lights, turntable, fan, everything is idle. Manufacturer didn't consider this an interesting defect and refused to swap out-of-warranty. The lack of give-a-shit in appliances is becoming apparent.

>The lack of give-a-shit in appliances is becoming apparent. Because most budget name brand kitchen appliances are just rebadged Haier/Midea OEM designs. I know HN has a hate boner for Samsung and LG appliances but for me they seem to be the most trustworthy budget appliances since at least they have their own designs instead of rebadging Chinese OEM ones like the rest. Sure, if you have money you can go with a reput…

I have a lower end Samsung that “started” after I opened the door. I hope it was just the fan and lights like the article mentioned. But it scared the heck out of me.

Re: Microwave spontaneously turned on by its LED display

#49
post #8

We recently got rid of a four year old microwave where the magnetron turned on spontaneously and silently when the door was closed, runaway heating the box. Control panel, lights, turntable, fan, everything is idle. Manufacturer didn't consider this an interesting defect and refused to swap out-of-warranty. The lack of give-a-shit in appliances is becoming apparent.

What was the model? I recently encountered something similar with a GE over-the-counter microwave. One day it stayed on after opening the door. I replaced the control module and the board in it looks exactly like the one in the OP photo (Midea with all of the same components), which leads me to think the fault is the same as the one described in the post.

> One day it stayed on after opening the door.

So you basically got exposed to microwave radiation. That's dangerous. Have you checked in with a doctor?

Re: Microwave spontaneously turned on by its LED display

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Earlier quoted context omitted.

Can confirm. We got a commercial-grade Panasonic microwave I believe, that survived near daily use for almost 9 years before the magnetron finally gave out. We replaced it with an identical model, and it must be a pretty good one since a cursory comparison inside between the old and new revealed virtually no changes since our old one was made. If it ain't broke...

Can confirm because at my work, they initially put ordinary consumer microwaves in at the coffee/lunch stations. They failed quickly. The commercial ones last. However the latest ones have a very flimsy feeling control wheel, I somehow imagine a 25 cent rotary encoder behind that which, if it fails, may still cause the otherwise solid machine to be discarded.

That's not all bad. Someone who can replace a 25 cent encoder can enjoy a lifetime of microwaving ;)
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