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Starlink Defies Order to Block X in Brazil

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Re: Starlink Defies Order to Block X in Brazil

#41

Is this a principled defense of free speech or a case of a man treating ostensibly independent companies as divisions of his personal conglomerate?

The only speech this man wants to be free is his own.

Do you have any examples where he blocks other people's speech?

Re: Starlink Defies Order to Block X in Brazil

#42

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Yup, it's the reason we shouldn't be shooting up Satellites for frivolous reasons like internet in the first place.

I really don't know what to tell you if you think one of the most practical human inventions in history is frivolous...

Do we need 10000 communication satellites compared to what a terrestrial network can provide? Cellular networks reutilize spectrum much more efficiently than space based systems. I get that there niche applications like rural broadband and military communications. I have no idea if Kessler syndrome is a real possibility but if it is then it doesn't seem worth it.

Re: Starlink Defies Order to Block X in Brazil

#43
post #14

Is this a principled defense of free speech or a case of a man treating ostensibly independent companies as divisions of his personal conglomerate?

The court orders for Twitter in Brazil were way more tame and based on judicial procedures than orders that Elon followed from Turkey and other less democratic countries. There's no visible rhyme or reason why he's fighting the Brazilian courts much harder than orders from other less democratic countries, something else is happening unrelated to free speech or any lip service he pays to.

What's happening is clear: Elon doesn't like Lula, the Brazilian president. Lula is left wing: his predecessor was a Trump-esque idiot. I'd guess many of Lula's actual policies harm the Musk's material interests in some way, or are just things he doesn't like. It might literally just be that Musk has heard Lula is left wing and therefore wants to make life as hard as possible.

Re: Starlink Defies Order to Block X in Brazil

#45

It's frightening how authoritarian the Left has become around the world. Ambiguous laws about'hate' seem poised to protect the world from thought crimes by curtailing basic human rights. In this context Musk is right and has the power to bring change. He will lose a lot of that power under a Harris presidency that has advertised it plans to continue the crusade against freedom of speech.

How is preventing a color revolution "authoritarian"?

https://www.washingtonpost.com/technology/2023/01/08/brazil-...

https://www.globaltimes.cn/page/202112/1240540.shtml

You'd want the white house to do the same if China would want to do something similar with, let's say, TikTok ;)

Re: Starlink Defies Order to Block X in Brazil

#46
post #8

Just how important are the ground stations in Brazil? (I don't mean the end user terminals.) If Starlink will basically continue to work well enough if those are seized, it seems like the obvious next steps are going to be crypto/stablecoin payments and a focus on small form factor terminals like Starlink Mini that can bypass customs.

> Just how important are the ground stations in Brazil?

Is used by the military, hospitals and schools on remote places on the amazon rainforest.

Re: Starlink Defies Order to Block X in Brazil

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post #21
post #14

Earlier quoted context omitted.

The court orders for Twitter in Brazil were way more tame and based on judicial procedures than orders that Elon followed from Turkey and other less democratic countries. There's no visible rhyme or reason why he's fighting the Brazilian courts much harder than orders from other less democratic countries, something else is happening unrelated to free speech or any lip service he pays to.

He may be doing it for personal ego reasons. But OTOH it is pointless to 'fight' the judicial system of e.g. Russia, or flawed democracies like Turkey which stage a coup. OTOH brazil is somewhat more democratic and it makes sense to appeal to their democratic institutions.

> But OTOH it is pointless to 'fight' the judicial system of e.g. Russia, or flawed democracies like Turkey which stage a coup. OTOH brazil is somewhat more democratic and it makes sense to appeal to their democratic institutions.

Even when giving Elon some leeway to have reasonable doubt I still believe the argument falls flat when he attempts to coat it with his "free speech defender" persona against Brazil but not against dictatorships.

If he's willing to challenge Brazilian courts to the point where Twitter becomes unavailable to the public why wouldn't he do the same in places with much less freedom of speech?

It simply doesn't make sense using his public rationale, if he was a free speech absolutist he wouldn't allow Twitter to exist in places where free speech is impossible and is gagged by dictators' court orders. He's fighting Brazilian courts way too hard given his stance on Turkey, Saudi Arabia, etc.

Is he a puppet? Has he ulterior motives in Brazil? We can't really know from public information but that there's something fishy and wrong going under wraps, it is.

Re: Starlink Defies Order to Block X in Brazil

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post #29
post #8

Just how important are the ground stations in Brazil? (I don't mean the end user terminals.) If Starlink will basically continue to work well enough if those are seized, it seems like the obvious next steps are going to be crypto/stablecoin payments and a focus on small form factor terminals like Starlink Mini that can bypass customs.

And then Starlink users get fined or arrested and Starlink Minis get seized. Also how good does it look for an international company to sell as evading customs and imports taxes. Crypto and stablecoin don't make the physical reality of owning such a device disappear.

Starlink is offering free service to current customers until they can access their bank accounts again.

Re: Starlink Defies Order to Block X in Brazil

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post #41

Earlier quoted context omitted.

The only speech this man wants to be free is his own.

Do you have any examples where he blocks other people's speech?

Opposition parties and activists in India and Turkey - both at the request of the governments there: https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=41387061

There are other examples, those two should suffice.

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