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E Ink faces growing competition in the "paper-like" display space

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Re: E Ink faces growing competition in the "paper-like" display space

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Post by afandian »

djtango wrote: post #14
mcbetz wrote: post #9

Any first-hand experiences with the Nxtpaper devices? There's a lot of press coverage of the release official material, especially on the 14 inch model, but few actual reviews. Availability or even infos on availability is an issue, at least in Europe as well.

I just ordered the nxtpaper 11 arrives next week so will post back later. I was torn between the HannsNote2 and Nxtpaper 11 but the battery life for the HannsNote2 is apparently less than 3 hours which I think is not going to cut it for a device which is meant to take me away from my phone I ordered the nxtpaper from TechInn - I think they ship global

I’m very close to getting a HannsNote 2. The battery life is disappointing, but it is very thin (maybe unnecessarily so). It’s no hardship to carry around a battery in a bag.

I have a crazy idea about VNC or SSH in which case a host laptop might not be very far away anyway.

Re: E Ink faces growing competition in the "paper-like" display space

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Post by SSLy »

amarcheschi wrote: post #25
jillesvangurp wrote: post #16

It would be nice to see somebody do a device that isn't crippled in terms of hardware and software. In my experience, most hardware companies aren't very good at software and vice versa. Apple seems a rare exception to this rule. I'd love a laptop that I can use outside. Even my current macbook pro isn't that good outside. It kind of works but it's not that comfortable on the eyes. And that's supposed to be a screen…

If we're talking about E ink, it happened to study with a guy who had a boox something and it was really cool, however he mainly used it for notes and for writing, and not for coding. I think they offer a lot of products for various needs, perhaps some of them are backlighted. Boox ultra pro c has an underclocked snapdragon 855 so it shouldn't suck too much, just a little. However, they're not cheap

onyx is know for flagrant disregard of GPL terms around the kernel

Re: E Ink faces growing competition in the "paper-like" display space

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Post by dredmorbius »

dgan wrote: post #2

Anyone using large e-ink monitor for programming? I cautious about trying one because I wouldn't want to wait 1 full second every time I scroll yhe sources

Already widely-available e-ink devices have been capable of far better than 1 Hz refresh for years. The idea that this isn't possible has entered into the Land of HN Tropes That Will Not Die.

I use an Onyx BOOX Max Lumi, now three years old, with locally-installed Termux (Linux environment for Android) and remote SSH fairly frequently. It can run highly-interactive text apps, with slight ghosting, and could probably handle an X11 display as well though I've not tried that.

Even at high-quality display, B&W e-ink offers 2--4 Hz refresh, and can offer ~16 Hz or better in "X-Mode" display. I won't pretend that's great video quality, but it is possible to view animations or videos using it.

For a now-several-years-old demo of what e-ink device capabilities are, with the fastest saved for last, see: https://yewtu.be/watch?v=KdrMjnYAap4>

There are higher-refresh displays as well. This one advertises 60 Hz refresh and colour (it's not clear whether colour can drive at 60 Hz).

https://www.tomshardware.com/monitors/new-open-source-high-r...>

https://www.modos.tech/blog/modos-paper-monitor-pre-launch-o...>

Video demo: https://yewtu.be/embed/pXn-bAwzNv4>

It's true that some colour displays currently run slower.

There's also an "e-paper" technology, based on LCD, which offers far higher refresh and AFAIU no ghosting.

(I've been using an e-ink tablet for the past 3+ years, and frankly love it.)

Re: E Ink faces growing competition in the "paper-like" display space

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Post by amarcheschi »

SSLy wrote: post #42
amarcheschi wrote: post #25

Earlier quoted context omitted.

If we're talking about E ink, it happened to study with a guy who had a boox something and it was really cool, however he mainly used it for notes and for writing, and not for coding. I think they offer a lot of products for various needs, perhaps some of them are backlighted. Boox ultra pro c has an underclocked snapdragon 855 so it shouldn't suck too much, just a little. However, they're not cheap

onyx is know for flagrant disregard of GPL terms around the kernel

Oh, I didn't know that

Re: E Ink faces growing competition in the "paper-like" display space

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Post by mensetmanusman »

WithinReason wrote: post #7

Instead of reflecting ambient light, why not measure it and then emit the same amount? It should be indistinguishable (as long as you reconstruct the RGB colors properly), so you can use a regular OLED display.

Outdoors, the phone would melt your hand with the best light emitting tech that exists today.

Re: E Ink faces growing competition in the "paper-like" display space

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Post by londons_explore »

Readers might be interested in this:

https://www.aliexpress.com/item/1005006647598296.html

never used it, but am considering getting it to lay on top of my laptop screen for outdoor coding.

One of the reviewers seems to suggest it is made out of the CPU etc from an old bitcoin miner which is no longer economic to run, but with an extra circuit board added, which is a neat way to get value out of old electronics!

Re: E Ink faces growing competition in the "paper-like" display space

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Post by neom »

jillesvangurp wrote: post #16

It would be nice to see somebody do a device that isn't crippled in terms of hardware and software. In my experience, most hardware companies aren't very good at software and vice versa. Apple seems a rare exception to this rule. I'd love a laptop that I can use outside. Even my current macbook pro isn't that good outside. It kind of works but it's not that comfortable on the eyes. And that's supposed to be a screen…

This company out of Vancouver Canada is doing some interesting stuff, their V1 device isn't quite what you're looking for, but I'd keep an eye on them, my understanding is what you're looking for is where they are going: https://daylightcomputer.com/

Re: E Ink faces growing competition in the "paper-like" display space

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Post by aposm »

Ciantic wrote: post #19
intothemild wrote: post #6

I love eink displays, I also love the MIP display on my Garmin. I'm excited for where these technologies go.

Yes, I loved MIP models too. I'm really annoyed that the last Gramin Forerunner watch with an MIP display was 955, and it's now discontinued and was recently removed from Garmin's website. All their new models have OLED, and I kind of understand as it looks better indoors but wastes a huge amount of battery when used outside. I would have preferred they investigate some of these newer LCD screens that can work reflec…

Yep, I had a cheaper MIP garmin watch that I was very happy with until it spontaneously bricked itself one day. It was just barely in warranty, and they replaced it, but refused to give me an equivalent replacement and instead sent the newer OLED model in the same lineup. It's... fine, but the battery life is abysmal with the always-on display and just OK without.

Re: E Ink faces growing competition in the "paper-like" display space

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Post by JonChesterfield »

jillesvangurp wrote: post #16

It would be nice to see somebody do a device that isn't crippled in terms of hardware and software. In my experience, most hardware companies aren't very good at software and vice versa. Apple seems a rare exception to this rule. I'd love a laptop that I can use outside. Even my current macbook pro isn't that good outside. It kind of works but it's not that comfortable on the eyes. And that's supposed to be a screen…

The Kobo tablet seems to be a straightforward Linux instance running on an arm chip. I think it's going to run arbitrary userspace code just fine.

Re: E Ink faces growing competition in the "paper-like" display space

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Post by JonChesterfield »

jillesvangurp wrote: post #16

It would be nice to see somebody do a device that isn't crippled in terms of hardware and software. In my experience, most hardware companies aren't very good at software and vice versa. Apple seems a rare exception to this rule. I'd love a laptop that I can use outside. Even my current macbook pro isn't that good outside. It kind of works but it's not that comfortable on the eyes. And that's supposed to be a screen…

> Even my current macbook pro isn't that good outside.

There's a hack for that. Involves running a full screen transparent overlay which tricks the OS into letting you turn the screen brightness all the way up. Silly that it's necessary but works very well. I don't remember the name of the program.

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