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AI is growing faster than companies can secure it, warn industry leaders

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Re: AI is growing faster than companies can secure it, warn industry leaders

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Post by ocihangir »

soulofmischief wrote: post #26
ocihangir wrote: post #5

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Same here. Many terms in LLM world are not quite right such as prompt “engineering”. It is almost like they were coined by non-tech folks.

What's wrong with the use of the word?

Engineering is something you calculate and get expected results with some acuracy. E.g building a bridge without trials and errors (hopefully). I would prefer prompt “tailoring” which is more like you start with something general and try to fit it to your desired output with many many trials and errors.

Re: AI is growing faster than companies can secure it, warn industry leaders

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Post by jart »

jillesvangurp wrote: post #37
metabagel wrote: post #16

> “If you plan for the models and the chatbots that exist today… you’re going to be so far behind,” he reiterated, urging companies to prepare for the future of AI governance. This is the key. Folks are looking at current capabilities rather than the trend line. We need to be ahead of the development AI. There probably ought to be laws regarding how AIs can be used or not used. There probably ought to be required dis…

There's no point fearing or obsessing over the inevitable. Pretend it already happened and adapt. A lot of the sentiment here is aimed at putting the cat back in the bag and then hoping for the best. It won't work. Not even a little bit. Laws are going to do absolutely nothing here except slow down the wrong people. The world is full of people who don't play by rules. It's a level playing field already. Everybody is…

That's what sites like GitHub and Twitter already do. When I push to GitHub it's signed by me. When I tweet about something I did, that's a signature too. Would you like to be bold courageous one who writes a browser extension to block everyone and everything that's anonymous on these services? That's basically your vision. Google tried to make that happen with Google Plus but the service was sadly shut down.

Re: AI is growing faster than companies can secure it, warn industry leaders

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Post by Vecr »

exe34 wrote: post #21
Vecr wrote: post #19

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It matters what you think of democracy. "The people" don't want transformative AI. The polls bear it out.

the people want to have their cake and eat it.

What do you mean? The options on the table are crazy gamer fantasies that presumably aren't widely supported, dystopia, or worse.

People want some improved automation, but not too much.

Re: AI is growing faster than companies can secure it, warn industry leaders

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Post by Bluestein »

exe34 wrote: post #21
Vecr wrote: post #19

Earlier quoted context omitted.

It matters what you think of democracy. "The people" don't want transformative AI. The polls bear it out.

the people want to have their cake and eat it.

The people want their horseless carriage and their horses too.-

Re: AI is growing faster than companies can secure it, warn industry leaders

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Post by fliglr »

I can't believe anybody honestly thinks that building a powerful AI is honestly a good thing. It seems that we're all trapped in a "keeping up with the joneses" style race where even if every individual person agrees that building AI is a bad thing, they're not able to stop because they still want to beat the competition and reap the rewards. And once there are millions or billions of these AI agents running around each of whom is smarter than every human on earth, good luck trying to predict or control them..

Re: AI is growing faster than companies can secure it, warn industry leaders

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Post by jillesvangurp »

jart wrote: post #42
jillesvangurp wrote: post #37

Earlier quoted context omitted.

There's no point fearing or obsessing over the inevitable. Pretend it already happened and adapt. A lot of the sentiment here is aimed at putting the cat back in the bag and then hoping for the best. It won't work. Not even a little bit. Laws are going to do absolutely nothing here except slow down the wrong people. The world is full of people who don't play by rules. It's a level playing field already. Everybody is…

That's what sites like GitHub and Twitter already do. When I push to GitHub it's signed by me. When I tweet about something I did, that's a signature too. Would you like to be bold courageous one who writes a browser extension to block everyone and everything that's anonymous on these services? That's basically your vision. Google tried to make that happen with Google Plus but the service was sadly shut down.

I've been thinking about such a thing. It wouldn't be hard technically but it seems people are a bit indifferent on this front which makes it hard to pull off from a business point of view. We need some good scandals to get people a bit more paranoid.

Some scandals around LLM generated content could be exactly what we need here. I'm talking reputation damaging scandals that have the likes of the NYT having to explain in public how they messed up so badly and paying millions in damages to the victims. Money is a great way to incentivize companies to level up their game. The the likes of the NYT need to get paranoid about checking authenticity. And everybody else as well.

A few geeks wearing tin foil hats aren't much of a solution. PGP flopped for that reason. But it's not to late for it to make a comeback in some form.

IMHO the Fediverse is an obvious place to start. Why accept any content there that isn't signed? It should be stupidly easy to level up its protocols to add and verify signatures to content and profiles. I've actually considered having a go at it at some point. No time and other priorities. So, I havent. But why isn't this a big topic in the wider community?

Re: AI is growing faster than companies can secure it, warn industry leaders

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Post by exe34 »

Vecr wrote: post #43
exe34 wrote: post #21

Earlier quoted context omitted.

the people want to have their cake and eat it.

What do you mean? The options on the table are crazy gamer fantasies that presumably aren't widely supported, dystopia, or worse. People want some improved automation, but not too much.

> People want some improved automation, but not too much.

that's right, they want automation to reduce their costs, but not replace their jobs/business. the people employing them also want the same thing.

Re: AI is growing faster than companies can secure it, warn industry leaders

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Post by [deleted] »

starbugs wrote: post #32
threatofrain wrote: post #24

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I think it's fair to say that these models may have some grasp of reality insofar as the data we collect ballparks reality, and also insofar as the mechanism to learn from the data effectively extracts the truth value of the data. We might say the same thing about people. Ultimately, just how problematic is it to label something as a hallucination? Are investors about to be massively duped? If I create a mechanism to…

> I think it's fair to say that these models may have some grasp of reality insofar as the data we collect ballparks reality, and also insofar as the mechanism to learn from the data effectively extracts the truth value of the data. No, it would be fair to say they have a "grasp" of predicting the next word in a given sequence of words based on a set of words in their training set. Hallucination then is what people c…

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Re: AI is growing faster than companies can secure it, warn industry leaders

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Post by Vecr »

fliglr wrote: post #45

I can't believe anybody honestly thinks that building a powerful AI is honestly a good thing. It seems that we're all trapped in a "keeping up with the joneses" style race where even if every individual person agrees that building AI is a bad thing, they're not able to stop because they still want to beat the competition and reap the rewards. And once there are millions or billions of these AI agents running around e…

Some people say they do, you know, summon the thermodynamic god and /wipe out all of humanity/ optimize the light cone according to the Jarzynski-Crooks fluctuation theorem.

According to the polls, yeah, it's unpopular.

Re: AI is growing faster than companies can secure it, warn industry leaders

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Post by jart »

jillesvangurp wrote: post #46
jart wrote: post #42

Earlier quoted context omitted.

That's what sites like GitHub and Twitter already do. When I push to GitHub it's signed by me. When I tweet about something I did, that's a signature too. Would you like to be bold courageous one who writes a browser extension to block everyone and everything that's anonymous on these services? That's basically your vision. Google tried to make that happen with Google Plus but the service was sadly shut down.

I've been thinking about such a thing. It wouldn't be hard technically but it seems people are a bit indifferent on this front which makes it hard to pull off from a business point of view. We need some good scandals to get people a bit more paranoid. Some scandals around LLM generated content could be exactly what we need here. I'm talking reputation damaging scandals that have the likes of the NYT having to explain…

I doubt there's going to be any such scandals, unless someone creates them. What's going to happen is LLM generated content is going to become so good so fast that you won't want to consume content created by people anymore, and you're going to feel guilty about that. Similar to how people probably feel guilty about playing football video games rather than going outside and playing football. Crypto and authentication services won't help, because people will just give their LLM agents the ability to act autonomously under their identity.
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