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Surface: Between a Rock and a Hardware Place

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Re: Surface: Between a Rock and a Hardware Place

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Post by ekianjo »

keithpeter wrote: post #36
ekianjo wrote: post #32

Earlier quoted context omitted.

> Don't mean to get carried away, but the world is really full of people doing "real work" where laptops and desktops are just not the best solution. I'm sure there is. But by far, most businesses still need laptops and proper desktops to work. Sometime you need a big screen. Most of the time you want to have a keyboard, a good one, to type fast. You want to have the precision of the mouse of do things on screen. ANd…

"But by far, most businesses still need laptops and proper desktops to work. Sometime you need a big screen. Most of the time you want to have a keyboard, a good one, to type fast. You want to have the precision of the mouse of do things on screen." Absolutely, I need those things... for about 15% of my working time. I suspect lot of people in roles where access to information is needed with minimal modification or a…

> Absolutely, I need those things... for about 15% of my working time.

By curiosity, what do you do the rest of your working time?

Re: Surface: Between a Rock and a Hardware Place

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Post by martinkallstrom »

2muchcoffeeman wrote: post #33
martinkallstrom wrote: post #24

As a regular Apple user (iphone/ipad/macbook air are my main tools), in my eyes Gruber is jumping the shark here. He comments on the structure of the event, his own feelings watching it. He comments on what information that has not yet been released. He clearly wants to move focus away from the hardware itself. Perhaps because it is just a little too awesome to come from MS?

It appears to be really good, but MS doesn't really have anything yet. You can't buy it, you can't pre-order and it appears that no journalist had any hands-on time with the keyboard. All we have are promises and anyone can do that.

I disagree wholeheartedly. Vision is also hard. Making and communicating a promise that gets people excited, is really really tough. There are thousands of product videos published every month trying to make promises people care about. Living up to the promises is also a great challenge. But to me, vision is not as easy as you describe it.

Re: Surface: Between a Rock and a Hardware Place

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Post by ZeroGravitas »

Isn't there a contradiction between Apple taking all the profits in PCs and Microsoft's taking of 78 dollars from every PC sold (and maybe half that for every mac with office)? I think he's been confused by the Apple world's tendency to compare Apple to hardware manufacturers and conveniently forget to include Microsoft and Google's profits in their pretty charts.

Also odd to see him still claiming that no-one but Apple could have made Samsung's A4 chip.

Re: Surface: Between a Rock and a Hardware Place

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Post by cubicle67 »

lostlogin wrote: post #20
judofyr wrote: post #6

> Skepticism about these things doesn’t require knee-jerk Apple fandom. It simply requires an open set of eyeballs. This is why I don't read Daring Fireball regularly. It's a blog solely focused on being skeptical about everything. The whole premise seems to be to find flaws in products/services and tell the world about them. I don't mind skepticism, but there's a difference between "it has these cool concepts, but i…

Different reasons to avoid him for me. The 5by5 shenanigans put me right off him.

for anyone like me who had no idea what 5by5 was, it seems like it's a talk show that Gruber was part of, then he left to do another, or something like that. meh

was unable to find reference to said shenanigans though, which was disappointing

Re: Surface: Between a Rock and a Hardware Place

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Post by tintin »

ekianjo wrote: post #22

These stories about the "post-PC future" always make me laugh, I still dont see people working on iPads in real offices where you do REAL work. The future of computing is going to be fragmented. Not unified by a single tablet model. Every time something new comes up we always get the same BS: "netbooks are going to replace computers". "iPhones are going to replace computers", "ipads are going to replace computers". G…

You are right. Also take a look at the development of tablets.

In the beginning they were small low-res tablets. But people wanted a bigger screen -> bigger tablets with high-res screens. But people hated to type on the screen -> keyboards added. But people hated to hold it all the time -> stands are added. And suddenly it is looking like a laptop.

I think there is a reason why Laptops and Desktops didn't change that much in all those years.

Re: Surface: Between a Rock and a Hardware Place

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Post by sadlyNess »

cubicle67 wrote: post #45
lostlogin wrote: post #20

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Different reasons to avoid him for me. The 5by5 shenanigans put me right off him.

for anyone like me who had no idea what 5by5 was, it seems like it's a talk show that Gruber was part of, then he left to do another, or something like that. meh was unable to find reference to said shenanigans though, which was disappointing

Here[http://www.candlerblog.com/2012/05/18/where-did-the-talk-sho...] and [http://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=3993649] .

Re: Surface: Between a Rock and a Hardware Place

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Post by AllenKids »

martinkallstrom wrote: post #24

As a regular Apple user (iphone/ipad/macbook air are my main tools), in my eyes Gruber is jumping the shark here. He comments on the structure of the event, his own feelings watching it. He comments on what information that has not yet been released. He clearly wants to move focus away from the hardware itself. Perhaps because it is just a little too awesome to come from MS?

Really there is very little worth mentioning beside the keyboard covers. And Microsoft does not allow anyone to touch the keyboard covers. Whose fault is that?

It is not record setting thin, or impossibly light, it has worse screen than the retina iPad, battery life is not mentioned at all, neither is th price,the look is quite minimalist and good, but not new or stunningly interesting ... pray tell, what's so awesome about the hardware? The glorious kickstand?

Re: Surface: Between a Rock and a Hardware Place

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Post by technoslut »

martinkallstrom wrote: post #24

As a regular Apple user (iphone/ipad/macbook air are my main tools), in my eyes Gruber is jumping the shark here. He comments on the structure of the event, his own feelings watching it. He comments on what information that has not yet been released. He clearly wants to move focus away from the hardware itself. Perhaps because it is just a little too awesome to come from MS?

From what I've read on Daring Fireball, Gruber thinks highly of Metro's design and he seems to at least infer that the design is as good as iOS or even better.

Re: Surface: Between a Rock and a Hardware Place

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Post by technoslut »

fauigerzigerk wrote: post #13

I clicked on this story expecting the usual blatantly biased and totally pointless drivel from this guy. I wasn't disappointed. He keeps raising the bar for embarrassing tech commentary and that's why I will keep reading him knowing full well I shouldn't waste my time on that kind of trolling. Now I'm even wasting your time by commenting on it. Please vote me down to -10 or I'll have to fagellate myself for an entire…

I didn't downvote you but it would be helpful you cited flaws in the article.
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