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Re: UC Berkeley will delete all alumni email accounts with >5GB stored

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post #28

I can't think why I'd want to keep an email account from my old university. Is that really a thing?

Oh yes. EDU emails are a hot commodity. And there have been a lot of crack downs lately on who can have them. The number of free and heavily discounted items you can get with them makes them quite valuable.

I still sometimes have to use mine to provide I attended college!

Re: UC Berkeley will delete all alumni email accounts with >5GB stored

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That's hilarious. Isn't this the same "Berkeley" that runs a sustained 20 petaflop distributed supercomputer from freely-donated volunteer machines? https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Berkeley_Open_Infrastructure_f... ( "Berkeley Open Infrastructure for Network Computing" ) They are Kropotkin when you are volunteering for them, and neutron-bomb Jack Welch when you expect something of them.

Distributed computing is a different beast than a storage service for students for stick all their pirated media on.

Re: UC Berkeley will delete all alumni email accounts with >5GB stored

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post #25

That's hilarious. Isn't this the same "Berkeley" that runs a sustained 20 petaflop distributed supercomputer from freely-donated volunteer machines? https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Berkeley_Open_Infrastructure_f... ( "Berkeley Open Infrastructure for Network Computing" ) They are Kropotkin when you are volunteering for them, and neutron-bomb Jack Welch when you expect something of them.

Their email systems are managed by Google Workspace.

Then the obvious solution is to instead have them managed by their CS department. And fire whoever previously thought it should be otherwise.

Re: UC Berkeley will delete all alumni email accounts with >5GB stored

#44
post #22

Stupid question: why don't they just offer to let Alumni pay for their content storage?

Once there is a payment, it's a business relationship. You don't want to enter a business relationship with an alumni who graduated many years ago that could be anywhere in the world doing anything, unless you can handle that. (Donations are different though, for whatever reason. It actually wouldn't be a bad idea to tie email storage with donations.) Professors, staff and registered students etc, on the other hand,…

> It actually wouldn't be a bad idea to tie email storage with donations.

This could be done in perhaps the opposite direction: individual alumni donors tying donations to maintenance of email accounts for all alumni.

These email addresses, in some cases, must date back to the 90s or earlier. Cancelling them is a major, negative change to people who (like me!) who have come to rely on them.

Re: UC Berkeley will delete all alumni email accounts with >5GB stored

#45
post #22

Stupid question: why don't they just offer to let Alumni pay for their content storage?

Once there is a payment, it's a business relationship. You don't want to enter a business relationship with an alumni who graduated many years ago that could be anywhere in the world doing anything, unless you can handle that. (Donations are different though, for whatever reason. It actually wouldn't be a bad idea to tie email storage with donations.) Professors, staff and registered students etc, on the other hand,…

Tying it to donations brings its own set of issues, such as disallowing tax write-offs due to a received benefit.

Re: UC Berkeley will delete all alumni email accounts with >5GB stored

#47
post #17

Here's why: https://bconnected.berkeley.edu/projects/google-cost-reducti... TLDR: Google Workspace for Education rug pulled schools on their "unlimited" plans, and the deadline is coming up to avoid paying extra fees. This was communicated in advance, but maybe still a bit quick for a large institution

This is it 100%.

> From: (Jan 2023) We currently store 12.4 PB of data across all Google services, and our new storage cap, without significant additional fees, is 1.9 PB.

See the timeline [1]. They have been forcing the rest of the university to reduce their usage. Finally it's time for alumni. There's no need for a fuss on HN about this. There's a lot more belt tightening across the university.

I'm not seeing the legitimate use for 5GB of email. Delete your attachments and it has to be fine. Annoying? Sure, but you can search email for large attachments. How bad could it be. I'm sure they follow a power law, so deleting a few of them should do it for "legitimate" over-quota users.

[1]: https://bconnected.berkeley.edu/projects/google-cost-reducti...

Re: UC Berkeley will delete all alumni email accounts with >5GB stored

#48
post #23

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Sounds like great job for a quick python script and/or some automation :)

How do you write “a quick python script” to export data from a Google account across many products and data types, while dealing with rate limits, API limitations, etc?

In 2024 you can probably just paste the API docs into ChatGPT/llama/Claude and ask, it would probably even write a headless chrome script for you. Rate limits aren't real for individuals downloading individual amounts of things, just shove a laptop into a closet and download a file every minute or something and check on it once a day. This isn't a hard problem to solve.

Re: UC Berkeley will delete all alumni email accounts with >5GB stored

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post #23

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Sounds like great job for a quick python script and/or some automation :)

How do you write “a quick python script” to export data from a Google account across many products and data types, while dealing with rate limits, API limitations, etc?

Use google takeout to get all of the emails.

https://takeout.google.com/settings/takeout?pli=1

Re: UC Berkeley will delete all alumni email accounts with >5GB stored

#50
post #19

I believe the impetus is just Google cancelling the free unlimited storage for education institutions.

Yup. They reduced our storage by a lot with no alternatives so far.

I was supposed to have just 10 GB of storage total. We complained, so at least now it's 30 GB. Still it's borderline low for me because of the kind of data we collect and collaborative work.

I'm looking for a solution in the mean time; trying to change my workflow.

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