There's already an open source Elasticsearch, it's called OpenSearch and it is pretty much all you need right now.
Users that had to pay the price to migrate to OpenSearch do not have a reason to migrate back to Elasticsearch.
Elasticsearch is open source, again
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#42> [D.N.A.] > [LOVE.] I don't understand what these are supposed to mean. Is this a new writing style, song references, or just a quirk of the author?
These are songs by Kendrick Lamar. I guess that these were used to try and add a youthful, lighthearted touch to the article? Didn't work on me though.
[Count me out] No reason to use Elasticsearch in 2024.
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#43Earlier quoted context omitted.
It was so that AWS would create their own name for their fork: > we changed the license, knowing it would result in a fork of Elasticsearch with a different name and a different trajectory. It’s a long story. I think the name of the fork is now OpenSearch.
Am I the only one not buying this reasoning? Seems like there's more than is being said, otherwise they would have said this by now. I'd reckon that ELv2 had friction that couldn't be easily overcome without OSS or at the very least DOSP [0]. I personally experienced said friction with ELv2, so makes me curious. [0]: https://opensource.org/dosp
we sunk our own boat, it forced them to get on rafts and leave, and now we're declaring our own boat sea-worthy again.
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#44Okay, cool. No notes, that's neat. Are there any SMEs that have worked with both OpenSearch (the fork) and ElasticSearch? Are there significant differences? I know the AWS fork had the big difference back then of having RBAC built into their Kibana portion.
OpenSearch has terrible docs.
That's so quintessential AWS :P. Even only for this Elastic should be compared to not waste 10s of hours on poorly written documentations.
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#45Too late, the community all moved over to OpenSearch. I'll never forgive Elastic for locking basic security features behind their paid licence. Over the years probably millions of people had their data compromised due to that (due to people inadvertently leaving instances on the public internet - having auth enabled by default would have helped a lot)
I think it's pretty sad that Conglomo X can take an open source product, add some tweaks and sell/capture the entire market. Basically taking all the work that open source maintainers have done.
What's the solution here?
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#46Too late, the community all moved over to OpenSearch. I'll never forgive Elastic for locking basic security features behind their paid licence. Over the years probably millions of people had their data compromised due to that (due to people inadvertently leaving instances on the public internet - having auth enabled by default would have helped a lot)
Yes, let's praise and reward the hyperscaler and not the small company that is 1% of the size of AWS.
AWS got Elastic's goodies for free. They just came in and gobbled up all of that value for themselves like vultures. Meanwhile the people putting in the work effectively got robbed.
Small companies should stop doing open source and switch to source available + MAU/ARR restriction clauses.
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#47Earlier quoted context omitted.
The service is more than the code base: it's who is offering it, who supports it. Besides, I'd be shocked if that analogy is how the law works. Perhaps if you'd bought an individual license then sure, you could resell it with the brand name, just like the car. But wholesale is a completely different situation.
It depends on the legal jurisdiction but in the US you're allowed to use a competitor's brand name/trademark specifically to inform your customers. E.g. "acetaminophen, the stuff that's in Tylenol". You can also use the competitor's brand colors.
so if I create a website called other-Facebook.com that looks exactly like Facebook, I can even tell people I'm going to steal their time and information just like the real Facebook, and that's allowed?
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#48Lots of negativity in this thread. Can we take just a bit of time to appreciate this. Thank you Elastic folks!
Re: Elasticsearch is open source, again
#49Too late, the community all moved over to OpenSearch. I'll never forgive Elastic for locking basic security features behind their paid licence. Over the years probably millions of people had their data compromised due to that (due to people inadvertently leaving instances on the public internet - having auth enabled by default would have helped a lot)
I think it's pretty sad that Conglomo X can take an open source product, add some tweaks and sell/capture the entire market. Basically taking all the work that open source maintainers have done. What's the solution here?
Source available + MAU/ARR restriction clauses that prevent hyperscalers from robbing the bank.
Re: Elasticsearch is open source, again
#50Too late, the community all moved over to OpenSearch. I'll never forgive Elastic for locking basic security features behind their paid licence. Over the years probably millions of people had their data compromised due to that (due to people inadvertently leaving instances on the public internet - having auth enabled by default would have helped a lot)
Source? Unless you're locked into the Amazon flavor of cloud hell I'm pretty sure most people are using the "real" elasticsearch. I know I am.
Yeah, it hasn't been nearly long enough for "everyone" or even most people to migrate.