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Coolify’s rise to fame, and why it could be a big deal

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Re: Coolify’s rise to fame, and why it could be a big deal

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Post by meiraleal »

trollbridge wrote: post #33
federalfarmer wrote: post #20

Earlier quoted context omitted.

>indie devs hiding their source code from corps takeover is the new free software. High power level take. The Stallman ethos of Free Software simply hasn't played out the way idealists thought it would. Instead, libraries are standardized by megacorps to farm employees inculcated into their design patterns and get GitHub clout chasers to fix bugs for free. Open source really needs something like the CC-BY-NC-ND* lice…

AGPL3 gets somewhat near this; if someone wants to profit in the cloud from it, they have to share all changes they make (and in theory then anyone else could go run a for profit or free service in the cloud or locally with the same new code).

Sharing code back isn't enough. AGPLv3 falls short in ensuring the profits from the tools get shared with the creators and maintainers

Re: Coolify’s rise to fame, and why it could be a big deal

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Post by pjmlp »

federalfarmer wrote: post #20
meiraleal wrote: post #13

Earlier quoted context omitted.

What are you talking about? Corporations ruining open source is the norm in 2024, indie devs hiding their source code from corps takeover is the new free software.

>indie devs hiding their source code from corps takeover is the new free software. High power level take. The Stallman ethos of Free Software simply hasn't played out the way idealists thought it would. Instead, libraries are standardized by megacorps to farm employees inculcated into their design patterns and get GitHub clout chasers to fix bugs for free. Open source really needs something like the CC-BY-NC-ND* lice…

Mostly because many decided that to make money, they had to go with VC money and business friendly licenses, instead of dual license GPL + commercial.

Re: Coolify’s rise to fame, and why it could be a big deal

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Post by RobotToaster »

federalfarmer wrote: post #20
meiraleal wrote: post #13

Earlier quoted context omitted.

What are you talking about? Corporations ruining open source is the norm in 2024, indie devs hiding their source code from corps takeover is the new free software.

>indie devs hiding their source code from corps takeover is the new free software. High power level take. The Stallman ethos of Free Software simply hasn't played out the way idealists thought it would. Instead, libraries are standardized by megacorps to farm employees inculcated into their design patterns and get GitHub clout chasers to fix bugs for free. Open source really needs something like the CC-BY-NC-ND* lice…

> Open source really needs something like the CC-BY-NC-ND* license.

That seems akin to saying "vegan food really needs pork", since by definition a NC licence can't be open source. Not to mention such licences cause as many, if not more, problems than they solve.

https://community.oscedays.org/t/why-are-non-commercial-lice...

Re: Coolify’s rise to fame, and why it could be a big deal

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Post by candiddevmike »

trollbridge wrote: post #33
federalfarmer wrote: post #20

Earlier quoted context omitted.

>indie devs hiding their source code from corps takeover is the new free software. High power level take. The Stallman ethos of Free Software simply hasn't played out the way idealists thought it would. Instead, libraries are standardized by megacorps to farm employees inculcated into their design patterns and get GitHub clout chasers to fix bugs for free. Open source really needs something like the CC-BY-NC-ND* lice…

AGPL3 gets somewhat near this; if someone wants to profit in the cloud from it, they have to share all changes they make (and in theory then anyone else could go run a for profit or free service in the cloud or locally with the same new code).

> they have to share all changes they make

Only with users who access the service.

Re: Coolify’s rise to fame, and why it could be a big deal

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Post by narrator »

meiraleal wrote: post #41
trollbridge wrote: post #33

Earlier quoted context omitted.

AGPL3 gets somewhat near this; if someone wants to profit in the cloud from it, they have to share all changes they make (and in theory then anyone else could go run a for profit or free service in the cloud or locally with the same new code).

Sharing code back isn't enough. AGPLv3 falls short in ensuring the profits from the tools get shared with the creators and maintainers

That sounds like the early 90s when you had to pay for all dev tools and even pay royalties for how many copies of your product you sold with that library. Most people had to roll their own crappy half-assed homebrew data structures because otherwise you'd have to pay for expensive libraries.

Re: Coolify’s rise to fame, and why it could be a big deal

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Post by RobotToaster »

zoomzoom wrote: post #27

At Coherence (withcoherence.com - I'm a cofounder) we are delivering the open-source benefits of Coolify (less vendor lock-in, cheap hosting costs) via our open-source CNC framework (cncframework.com) while still keeping a hosted SaaS control plane that eliminates the "few hours of fiddling with setup" that the blog author minimizes here. Maintenance and configuration complexity over time (as you customize and use cl…

That's quite a confusing name, it took me quite a while to realise you aren't talking about computer numerical control.
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