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Dutch DPA fines Uber €290M because of transfers of drivers’ data to the US

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Re: Dutch DPA fines Uber €290M because of transfers of drivers’ data to the US

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Post by altacc »

xiphias2 wrote: post #6
askonomm wrote: post #4

Love it. Maybe one day U.S companies will learn that while they can steal and sell their own peoples information as they please, and they'll even have their own people brainwashed into such a state of stockholm syndrome that they will defend the corporations ability to do so, that's not the culture EU has, and it won't fly here. Corporations are not the peoples identity here, privacy and safety however are.

Or maybe all companies will learn to leave EU behind in innovation. Even though the rules are great, I'm just not sure if it will be good or bad long term for EU.

What price is it worth paying for innovation? Innovation just means "new", not necessarily good or beneficial. If the innovation is for companies to be able to do anything and treat anyone however they like in order to make large profits for very few people then we don't want that innovation.

Re: Dutch DPA fines Uber €290M because of transfers of drivers’ data to the US

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Post by AlanYx »

Can anyone explain how this relates to the EU-US Data Privacy Framework (also sometimes called the Trans-Atlantic Data Privacy Framework)?

I thought that that framework was supposed to allow this (as a replacement for the EU–US Privacy Shield framework)? Presumably this wouldn't have been a problem under Privacy Shield (i.e., pre-2020), or am I getting that wrong?

Re: Dutch DPA fines Uber €290M because of transfers of drivers’ data to the US

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Post by Mistletoe »

mettamage wrote: post #19
askonomm wrote: post #4

Love it. Maybe one day U.S companies will learn that while they can steal and sell their own peoples information as they please, and they'll even have their own people brainwashed into such a state of stockholm syndrome that they will defend the corporations ability to do so, that's not the culture EU has, and it won't fly here. Corporations are not the peoples identity here, privacy and safety however are.

Instances like this really make me feel that capitalism is devoid of any morality. If there's no law guarding it, a company will abuse its power in order to make more money. It could be a morally good thing, a morally bad thing, it doesn't matter: more money is more money. It feels heartless. I wish there was a better system.

Capitalism only works with proper regulation to protect the little people. We’ve forgotten that part for quite some time now.

Re: Dutch DPA fines Uber €290M because of transfers of drivers’ data to the US

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Post by koollman »

concordDance wrote: post #21
shinycode wrote: post #11

Earlier quoted context omitted.

I don’t think this kind of « threat thinking » is true. « We find ways to steal from you and it’s still good for you because otherwise you will be left behind without us ». It’s kinda feels like bullying to me

This is an unconventional usage of "theft" in the "you wouldn't steal a car?" way. Could you explain how the Uber drivers are worse off due to their data being in the USA?

Not theft indeed, but copy/use of data without consent. How are they worse:

They are now at risk if there is a data leak in the USA. There are higher fines for data leaks in Europe, so they aren't as well protected as before

Re: Dutch DPA fines Uber €290M because of transfers of drivers’ data to the US

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Post by morbicer »

djaouen wrote: post #26
cqqxo4zV46cp wrote: post #7

Earlier quoted context omitted.

No, you see US-headquartered multinationals have a God-given right to freedom, including the freedom to smuggle customer data overseas. God bless America.

If you don’t like it, stop using US-made products. :)

This is not how European market operates.

As a consumer, I can't visit every factory to check if the pasta isn't tainted with lead, if the chicken meat isn't full of antibiotics and hormones and if the webapp I am using isn't selling my data.

We have market regulations for reasons. Companies that won't comply should be punished and if it's a repeatable offence they should lose a license to operate in EU.

Re: Dutch DPA fines Uber €290M because of transfers of drivers’ data to the US

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Post by irdc »

djaouen wrote: post #26
cqqxo4zV46cp wrote: post #7

Earlier quoted context omitted.

No, you see US-headquartered multinationals have a God-given right to freedom, including the freedom to smuggle customer data overseas. God bless America.

If you don’t like it, stop using US-made products. :)

After you stop using China-made products (https://www.foxconn.com/en-us) made using Taiwan-made products (https://www.tsmc.com/english) made using Dutch-made products (https://www.asml.com/en).

Re: Dutch DPA fines Uber €290M because of transfers of drivers’ data to the US

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Post by epgui »

allendoerfer wrote: post #30
mettamage wrote: post #19

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Instances like this really make me feel that capitalism is devoid of any morality. If there's no law guarding it, a company will abuse its power in order to make more money. It could be a morally good thing, a morally bad thing, it doesn't matter: more money is more money. It feels heartless. I wish there was a better system.

We have tried systems based on some seemingly absolute moral codex. Some parts of the world are still doing it. Unfortunately it always comes with brutal ways to kill arbitrary groups of people.

You seem to be missing an ethics class. Morality doesn’t have to be like that at all.
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