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Maybe I’m in a bubble, but I didn’t even notice BMW had EVs
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The Tesla brand has suffered enormously due to the actions of its owner.
Yes, Tesla's execution has been really terrible. There's some really good tech inside their cars, but the direction of which cars to make, when, and the investments in non-car tech, the over-promising of "Full Self Driving," etc. All huge detractors. There's also the CEO, who has a huge public profile, deciding to become extremely political, which smart CEOs usually avoid doing because it has little potential to help…
Well, he's expecting some reciprocity from the next administration for all his help, and Trump has said openly that he will support EVs as a consequence of Elon's strong support.
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I would never buy Tesla personally if there is an alrernative with decades of experience, like BMW
Odd since BMWs are not known for reliabilty
In Germany, TÜV (Mandatory inspections in Germany), placed Tesla Model 3 for 111th in reliability, just behind Dacia Logan which was in the second last place, when the first mandatory inspections in 2023 started.
You can find many sources about this, here one example:
https://www.carscoops.com/2023/12/tesla-model-3-ranked-last-...
The Tesla brand has suffered enormously due to the actions of its owner.
I hear people say this bit then I see those same people go and buy Teslas anyway. The real reason Tesla is suffering is because they've not delivered on innovation, quality, or price in a long time.
The Tesla brand has suffered enormously due to the actions of its owner.
I'm not convinced that's actually the dominant factor. The market share for EVs is still small enough that there's no real shortage of buyers. But it turns out that having a hundred years of domain experience building cars actually matters for something. Tesla cars have had a lot of avoidable failures on technical merits.
German EV's are probably better built - fewer electrical issues over a longer duration (I hope), and fewer moving parts to replace.
I think this is a product differentiation / segmentation problem. People who wanted the current Tesla offering are being outnumbered by people who want buttons / information displayed front and center.
The Tesla brand has suffered enormously due to the actions of its owner.
The Tesla brand has suffered enormously due to the actions of its owner.
I hear people say this bit then I see those same people go and buy Teslas anyway. The real reason Tesla is suffering is because they've not delivered on innovation, quality, or price in a long time.
Edit: My formulation is confusing. I meant whether folks really think that Tesla will eventually have 10x BMW's revenue.