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'Megalopolis' trailer's fake critic quotes were AI-generated

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Re: 'Megalopolis' trailer's fake critic quotes were AI-generated

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Post by krapp »

spacecadet wrote: post #36
Loughla wrote: post #26

Earlier quoted context omitted.

I'm calling it now; people will be informed of the mistakes AI makes when the first "fake news" story pops up that has inaccuracies due to ai analysis of data. Then it will be all downhill from there.

We are already there! Humans misrepresent data on purpose in the media all the time in order to create misinformation and sway opinions. If anything AI creates deniability, "Oh our so and so used gpt, woops!"...

>We are already there! Humans misrepresent data on purpose in the media all the time in order to create misinformation and sway opinions.

That isn't really the same thing. I was thinking of something more along the lines of "AI designed car randomly explodes" or "AI doctors misdiagnose patients and mix up prescriptions." The AI equivalent of the Therac-25[0]. Something a lot worse than "sometimes the media lies," which we already know, and something explicitly the fault of AI confabulation and automating away humans at what should be necessary stopgap or validation steps for the sake of streamlining or cost-cutting.

>If anything AI creates deniability, "Oh our so and so used gpt, woops!"...

Luckily, that doesn't seem to be the case. In every story I've seen where people have tried to blame AI they didn't get away with it, because the AI is just a tool and the human beings are still legally responsible. People still try though.

[0]https://hackaday.com/2015/10/26/killed-by-a-machine-the-ther...

Re: 'Megalopolis' trailer's fake critic quotes were AI-generated

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Post by minkles »

nsagent wrote: post #6

Was just talking with a microbiology researcher yesterday about ChatGPT. They use it for helping to write code for analyzing their lab data and they were surprised I said it's likely to lead them astray at times, especially if they don't know the code well enough to spot the errors it might generate. Despite my PhD being in NLP, they still seemed incredulous at my assertion. I truly think the general public have not…

Oh you have no idea how badly this is going to go over time.

I watched a presentation by some psychology researchers last year where they were presenting their paper for applications of LLM technology in early-therapy diagnostics. They were literally throwing patients at it. I showed one of the enthusiastic followers, a high ranking PhD in the field, how easy it was to get it to give me suicide advice and she was absolutely horrified and totally unaware of the possibility this could happen.

All these things were missing in the associated paper of course. Gotta keep those grants flowing.

Re: 'Megalopolis' trailer's fake critic quotes were AI-generated

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Post by desumeku »

ChrisMarshallNY wrote: post #33
nsagent wrote: post #6

Was just talking with a microbiology researcher yesterday about ChatGPT. They use it for helping to write code for analyzing their lab data and they were surprised I said it's likely to lead them astray at times, especially if they don't know the code well enough to spot the errors it might generate. Despite my PhD being in NLP, they still seemed incredulous at my assertion. I truly think the general public have not…

I figured that out, the first time I submitted a Swift question to ChatGPT, where I would normally have used StackOverflow. It hallucinated an Apple API call. Not just that, but that nonexistent call was the entire fulcrum of its "solution."

Don't use "hallucinated". Use "bullshitted". https://link.springer.com/article/10.1007/s10676-024-09775-5

Re: 'Megalopolis' trailer's fake critic quotes were AI-generated

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Post by kibibu »

uses wrote: post #24
next_xibalba wrote: post #11

Earlier quoted context omitted.

I suspect all involved were aware of what was going on, and outsourcing the work to a consultant provides plausible deniability/a fall guy. This is not the first time in the history of film marketing that fake reviews have been used. [1] [1] https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/David_Manning_(fictitious_writ...

Nah, that assumes everyone was paying attention and was perfectly coordinated in a stupid pointless effort that was bound to fail. It's a lot easier to believe the official explanation. Which is that someone typed in a prompt like "what are some quotes from famous movie reviewers that were negative about francis ford coppola's films?" and just copy-pasted the output without understanding that LLMs can make things up.…

Also possible is somebody using them as place holders (and telling people as much), which were plausible enough that they slipped through.

Re: 'Megalopolis' trailer's fake critic quotes were AI-generated

#46

Post by zx8080 »

minkles wrote: post #42
nsagent wrote: post #6

Was just talking with a microbiology researcher yesterday about ChatGPT. They use it for helping to write code for analyzing their lab data and they were surprised I said it's likely to lead them astray at times, especially if they don't know the code well enough to spot the errors it might generate. Despite my PhD being in NLP, they still seemed incredulous at my assertion. I truly think the general public have not…

Oh you have no idea how badly this is going to go over time. I watched a presentation by some psychology researchers last year where they were presenting their paper for applications of LLM technology in early-therapy diagnostics. They were literally throwing patients at it. I showed one of the enthusiastic followers, a high ranking PhD in the field, how easy it was to get it to give me suicide advice and she was abs…

> totally unaware of the possibility this could happen.

A rare human would easily admit their mistakes. Especially when their career and money and power is at stake.

Re: 'Megalopolis' trailer's fake critic quotes were AI-generated

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Post by toomuchtodo »

beloch wrote: post #21

GoDaddy has advertised, on TV, generative AI for social media comment creation as a part of their website services. Faking your reviews with AI is not a good idea. The makers of Megalopolis got caught, and you could too. Their efforts to spin and deny won't reverse the damage. Don't use AI for this. Don't even do this the old fashioned way!

It’s illegal now.

https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=41250283

https://www.ftc.gov/system/files/ftc_gov/pdf/r311003consumer...

Re: 'Megalopolis' trailer's fake critic quotes were AI-generated

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Post by spacecadet »

krapp wrote: post #41
spacecadet wrote: post #36

Earlier quoted context omitted.

We are already there! Humans misrepresent data on purpose in the media all the time in order to create misinformation and sway opinions. If anything AI creates deniability, "Oh our so and so used gpt, woops!"...

>We are already there! Humans misrepresent data on purpose in the media all the time in order to create misinformation and sway opinions. That isn't really the same thing. I was thinking of something more along the lines of "AI designed car randomly explodes" or "AI doctors misdiagnose patients and mix up prescriptions." The AI equivalent of the Therac-25[0]. Something a lot worse than "sometimes the media lies," whi…

You mean like AI assisted profiling of minorities? or AI assisted drone strikes? We are already there. Just not for the comfy cushy western peeps. Oh wait that republican self drove her tesla into a lake and died, so yeah- already there.

Re: 'Megalopolis' trailer's fake critic quotes were AI-generated

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Post by strunz »

COAGULOPATH wrote: post #23
krapp wrote: post #18

Earlier quoted context omitted.

> All of this could have been avoided by just using Google. Unfortunately no, Google's results are now polluted with AI generated content, and Google search itself generates results with AI. It hasn't been possible to trust the results of any search engine since around 2020.

What he means is that if you search for "Diminished by its artsiness" + "Pauline Kael" you won't find any results (except for ones related to this news story). Google is polluted with AI generated content but not this specific bit of AI generated content.

Google is also polluted with sponsored content and ads framed as search results which are many times not at all what you're actually searching for. It's totally unreliable for finding things these days.

Re: 'Megalopolis' trailer's fake critic quotes were AI-generated

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Post by minkles »

zx8080 wrote: post #46
minkles wrote: post #42

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Oh you have no idea how badly this is going to go over time. I watched a presentation by some psychology researchers last year where they were presenting their paper for applications of LLM technology in early-therapy diagnostics. They were literally throwing patients at it. I showed one of the enthusiastic followers, a high ranking PhD in the field, how easy it was to get it to give me suicide advice and she was abs…

> totally unaware of the possibility this could happen. A rare human would easily admit their mistakes. Especially when their career and money and power is at stake.

That is why I didn't go into academia. I saw someone burn an entire research outcome on purpose because it'd compromise their speciality entirely.
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