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Modern Wardriving (2023)

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Re: Modern Wardriving (2023)

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Post by dylan604 »

wizzwizz4 wrote: post #23
stackghost wrote: post #18

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Because freeloaders and/or malicious actors will abuse my generosity

Freeloaders? Well, yeah: isn't that the whole point? We're all freeloaders, in some sense, unless you think you've earned the water you drink and the air you breathe. By giving back to the Freeloader-available Resource Pool (the commons), you're becoming less of a freeloader. Malicious actors? That relies on there being malicious actors physically near you , which isn't necessarily a valid assumption. Set up a DMZ, t…

> unless you think you've earned the water you drink

Earned? WTF logic is that? I pay for the water I drink. What in the world are you on about?

Re: Modern Wardriving (2023)

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Post by dylan604 »

Brechreiz wrote: post #6

Why is it called that?

It's a play off of the war dialing phrase where you would have your computer dial every phone number within a prefix. 212-555-0001, -0002,... -9999. You would log every number that was answered by another computer for later investigation.

Classic movie scene based on the concept from War Games:

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=zb1r_uKOew4

Re: Modern Wardriving (2023)

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Post by [deleted] »

cess11 wrote: post #35
patrick451 wrote: post #16

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For the same reasons I don't invite the entire neighborhood into my kitchen for dinner every night. If people want wifi, they can buy it themselves.

They might be dissidents that don't want their internet traffic associated with their physical identity, which makes it quite hard to "buy it themselves" in places where cash isn't used or ID cards are commonly registered.

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Re: Modern Wardriving (2023)

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Post by StrLght »

RedAuburn wrote: post #17

Instead of using all this fancy hardware just to contribute to a proprietary database, i'd recommend uploading to BeaconDB[1] using NeoStumbler[2] on your phone. [1] https://beacondb.net/ [2] https://github.com/mjaakko/NeoStumbler

Thanks for the heads up! I'm going to report a few APs during my next bike ride

Re: Modern Wardriving (2023)

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Post by green-salt »

Something fun I did in 2015ish was zip tying an Intel compute stick, a small usb power brick, and an Alfa usb wifi thing to my drone and ran kismet on it in the air and SSHed in from my laptop on the ground. Could see quite a lot of APs from above without clutter on the ground.

Re: Modern Wardriving (2023)

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Post by nuancebydefault »

breck wrote: post #10

In 1895 a young Italian studying Maxwell's equations wondered if perhaps you didn't need wires to send an electromagnetic message, and after months of tinkering beamed the first radio message which rang a bell on the other side of his parent's attic. The first person he showed this to was his mother, who to her credit didn't accuse him of witchcraft but gave him a hug and supported him in all his future ventures. He…

Free WIFI tragically will fall into the 'tragedy of the commons'.

How much a better place the world would be if we could freely share ANYTHING without getting abused, sabotaged, taken advantage of, taken for granted, getting hate for revoking, whatever we offer?

Re: Modern Wardriving (2023)

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Post by stackghost »

wizzwizz4 wrote: post #23
stackghost wrote: post #18

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Because freeloaders and/or malicious actors will abuse my generosity

Freeloaders? Well, yeah: isn't that the whole point? We're all freeloaders, in some sense, unless you think you've earned the water you drink and the air you breathe. By giving back to the Freeloader-available Resource Pool (the commons), you're becoming less of a freeloader. Malicious actors? That relies on there being malicious actors physically near you , which isn't necessarily a valid assumption. Set up a DMZ, t…

>Set up a DMZ, try it, and see

No, I don't think I will. I will continue to keep my wifi password protected so that randoms can't degrade my Internet speed by torrenting movies 24/7, send death threats to public officials from my IP address, or engage in other unsavory activities.

Not sure why you are equating a natural resource like air with a paid service like Internet connectivity, but it comes off as bizarre and naive at best.

Re: Modern Wardriving (2023)

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Post by SpaceLawnmower »

metrix wrote: post #8
dtx1 wrote: post #4

I don't quite get the point of this. Basically any home or small buisness router is going to have a password or it's a public wifi hotspot anyway. Am I missing anything?

It's not to get into a network, it's just to list where they're at.. For points. Similar to internet points :). There's no hacking involved just nerds being nerds What you find shows up here: https://wigle.net/ As you can see there's quite a few people who do it

The "What has this project been used for?" section in the wigle FAQ is not very compelling tbh. Now that most routers ship WPA-2 secured by default and you can find free wifi everywhere, I think the most valid use that remains is finding malicious networks. But it seems to me that by and large this is nerds doing free work for the people who use their data commercially which seems kind of anti-hacker.

Re: Modern Wardriving (2023)

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Post by senectus1 »

breck wrote: post #14
devilbunny wrote: post #12

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WiFi is wonderful magic, but I’m not giving you the password to my private network.

Why not make your community better by having your router also broadcast an open public network?

I fear what they're up to... Download or broadcasting CP primarily.

who knows what freaky stuff my community gets into.

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