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Breaking down a record-setting day on the Texas grid

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Re: Breaking down a record-setting day on the Texas grid

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So the day peaked at 85 GW of load, and they got down to only 130 MW of spare capacity. Just 0.15% from running out. And they never asked for conservation? Is it normal to go that close to the edge without trying to cut load?

This is a state that should basically be peppered with residential rooftop solar. Of course, there's zero chance of any sort of state governmental policy to help incentivize it in deep red state land. But if recent history has shown anything, I would consider it a primary feature of any home in Texas to be relatively grid independent with its own generating capacity and storage.

Texas has a lot of incentives for residential solar. I'm not sure where you live, but in my DFW suburb, my neighborhood _is_ peppered in rooftop solar.

https://www.gosolartexas.org/available-incentives

A lot of the incentives are from local power companies like Oncor, but one notable state-wide incentive is that solar installations are exempt from property tax by state law.

I dunno why people act like Texas is staunchly anti-renewable. TX state politicians have said some goofy stuff about "windmills freezing over", but overall Texans are extremely pro-wind and pro-solar. It's a huge economic driver for a large part of the state, and it's seen as an overall part of Texas's strong energy industry, complimentary to oil rather than as a competitor to it. George Bush and Rick Perry were both Republican governors but both were _very_ pro-renewable and oversaw massive booms in wind energy especially. In 2005 Texas (including Perry at the time) passed a law to invest billions of state dollars into building transmission lines specifically to make it feasible for renewable energy generation in west Texas to bring power to the populated areas in the east, which is attributed to the massive wind boom. Abbot, on the other hand, has sadly not been very pro-renewable, but much of the state still is.

Re: Breaking down a record-setting day on the Texas grid

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Earlier quoted context omitted.

Last year was brutal, this year is great.

Sounds like Stockholm Syndrome to me my friend. I would not define this heat as great; more like just this side of deadly.

No, this summer is objectively one of the best we've had in a long time, at least in Austin. The fact that we've only had a few days above 105 is a blessing.

I mean, it's Texas - it's always blazing hot at the end of August, and that's to be expected. What's really changed over the past 25-50 years is that the plus 100 days have been starting earlier and earlier, and we've been having more of them. Thankfully, that wasn't the case this year.

Re: Breaking down a record-setting day on the Texas grid

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Earlier quoted context omitted.

No. The 130 MW remaining capacity was the amount available "in SCED within 5 minutes", which in super simplified terms means "the amount of energy available quickly and economically". The grid actually had ~4 GW spare capacity (according to the graph) if it was needed, but it wasn't part of SCED.

But if you can't get more in under 5m, then if the demand goes up that much in under 5m you hit the point of load shedding to protect the grid right? The graph showed it increasing fast just before. Is it so unthinkable it could jump again? Or is that they could get more (non-SCED) in time, it would just cost a ton so it's avoided if at all possible?

My understanding is that it's the latter. "in SCED" basically means they have pre-planned availability that is cheap.

The "Physical Response Capacity" in that graph is the amount of capacity actually available, but it's not part of SCED. However it doesn't say anything about the timeframe it would be available in. Given that ERCOT didn't call for conservation, I would have to assume it was capacity that was "quickly available, but not cheap" rather than "not quickly available", but I don't know for sure.

Re: Breaking down a record-setting day on the Texas grid

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If I'm reading this right, my thermostat's "rush hours" seem to be scheduled for gross load peak. They then seem to usually end (and kick my AC back to a desired temp causing a ton of usage) right around net load peak...which this is now reporting is when energy prices go through the roof. So basically the "rush hour" program has likely been costing me more money than if I just ignored them to begin with up to this p…

After giving my electricity provider access to my EV for optimal charging pretty much killed the 12v battery (they were pinging it hundreds of times an hour, meaning it never went to sleep), I'm never going to give them access to anything.

I had no idea this was a thing that could happen, I thought (naively, I suppose) that all they'd get would be the equivalent of a meter reading with a suggestion to limit load at certain hours.

Re: Breaking down a record-setting day on the Texas grid

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If I'm reading this right, my thermostat's "rush hours" seem to be scheduled for gross load peak. They then seem to usually end (and kick my AC back to a desired temp causing a ton of usage) right around net load peak...which this is now reporting is when energy prices go through the roof. So basically the "rush hour" program has likely been costing me more money than if I just ignored them to begin with up to this p…

After giving my electricity provider access to my EV for optimal charging pretty much killed the 12v battery (they were pinging it hundreds of times an hour, meaning it never went to sleep), I'm never going to give them access to anything.

Next day load shapes are predictable, so devices should optimize their charging accordingly.

Re: Breaking down a record-setting day on the Texas grid

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Earlier quoted context omitted.

Sounds like Stockholm Syndrome to me my friend. I would not define this heat as great; more like just this side of deadly.

No, this summer is objectively one of the best we've had in a long time, at least in Austin. The fact that we've only had a few days above 105 is a blessing. I mean, it's Texas - it's always blazing hot at the end of August, and that's to be expected. What's really changed over the past 25-50 years is that the plus 100 days have been starting earlier and earlier, and we've been having more of them. Thankfully, that w…

Again, that is far from the definition of "great". I would say fortunate to not have those string of triple digits, but man, it's not great at all. 100°+ is still miserable, but it's amazing how different 98° feels from 105°. I get Texas hyperbole, but even my feet are firmly planted in reality to not accept "great" in this meaning. Bless your heart! ;-)

Re: Breaking down a record-setting day on the Texas grid

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If I'm reading this right, my thermostat's "rush hours" seem to be scheduled for gross load peak. They then seem to usually end (and kick my AC back to a desired temp causing a ton of usage) right around net load peak...which this is now reporting is when energy prices go through the roof. So basically the "rush hour" program has likely been costing me more money than if I just ignored them to begin with up to this p…

Austin Energy? There aren't many providers that I am aware of in Texas that have variable rates.

Austin Energy does Tiered Usage billing, not time-of-use, for residential customers.

Re: Breaking down a record-setting day on the Texas grid

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Summarizing from the article, this link [1] shows that there were more sources of generation that ERCOT didn't ask to come online. Specifically, all the capacity that could come online with 5 minutes was online except for a tiny 130 MW of generation. [1] https://blog.gridstatus.io/content/images/2024/08/ERCOT-Reca... Instead of calling for something that needed more than 5 minutes, ERCOT relied on all the batteries o…

> Probably the daytime temps in Texas right now drove the high solar production and high demand. Probably? > High temps usually mean clear, sunny days and everyone huddling near an air con. Or all of those mandatory RTO forcing large open spaced cubicle farms to run AC in a building made of glass. Not sure of the image you have in your head being the reverse of homeless huddled around a barrel fire.

RTO is actually energy positive from a heating/cooling point of view (i.e., excluding transportation). People set their home HVAC to "away" to reduce use, and the central HVAC systems found in commercial buildings are far more efficient than home systems.

Re: Breaking down a record-setting day on the Texas grid

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What I want to know is how much we spent kicking crypto miners off the grid for a couple hours.

Paying people to stop consuming is just an accounting replacement for interruptible power.

The net effect is more power generation available, not less.

Re: Breaking down a record-setting day on the Texas grid

#50

What I want to know is how much we spent kicking crypto miners off the grid for a couple hours.

They provide a legitimate demand response service i.e. when the grid is generating excess energy that there's no other demand for, Bitcoin miners buy what no one else wants/needs.

Buyers of first and last resort.

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