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Re: Make Firefox Private Again

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Really sad to see Firefox’s direction but also not sure how they should be funded to avoid these things. I’m also not sure that the web can be made into something different unless web standards aren’t freed of influence by giants like Google

Firefox been like this for atleast a decade.

All sorts of "experiments", normandy, telemetry, pocket, looking glass, all sorts of phoning back them or either google... so many things to name. And now this garbage to add to the list.

You have to do so much work in about:config to clean this up and i'm not sure if it can be fully.

Extremely scummy organisation.

Re: Make Firefox Private Again

#42

Earlier quoted context omitted.

I don't wholly disagree, but it's always a tad ironic to read "money is ruining the free/open internet" discussion on a free forum powered by VC money.

If HN didn't exist people would gather on another link aggregator.

HN is only as good as dang makes it. There are a ton of other link aggregators out there, many more “free” than this. Yet here we are. Why? Because the folks behind this link aggregator pay dang to be here.

Re: Make Firefox Private Again

#43
I really don't like advertising. I use uBlock Origin in my browser, AdGuard on my phone and pi-hole in my home. I even take a seam ripper to my clothes to make sure no logos remain. But I understand that advertising is the only viable business model for much of the internet. (Browsing HN and seeing that the top comment for every paywalled article is a pirated link confirms that.)

If advertising must exist, I'd prefer it to be safe and private rather than the malware-ridden surveillance machine that exists today. Mozilla is working hard to make this happen and catching a lot of flak. It's notable that criticisms usually fall into three buckets.

1. It has "advertising" in the name, thus it is bad

2. Meta is involved, thus it is bad

3. Mozilla earns most of their revenue from Google, thus they are incapable of doing a good thing

It would be much healthier if criticisms actually focused on the design and implementation of PPA. Perhaps things could be improved. Or maybe you have your own ideas for privacy preserving advertising. But it surprises me that even on a technical forum like HN, so many people endorse the awful advertising status quo.

Yes, you can mostly opt out of advertising with uBlock Origin. You can still do that when PPA is enabled. The vast majority of browsers will continue to subsidize your browsing. What Mozilla is doing is working to provide the same level of privacy and security for the 90% of the population who does not use uBlock Origin. I think that's a noble goal.

Re: Make Firefox Private Again

#44
post #30

I just want to use a robust, secure and decently fast browser that uses a different backend than Chrome to support the open web not ossifying into a single browser spec. I'll pay monthly! Please just let me pay for this in money and not my privacy :-(

There is Safari. Or whatever is based on WebKit on Linux (there must be some...) GNOME Web/Epiphany (same thing) seems to use WebKit and is officially supported https://webkit.org/downloads/ https://apps.gnome.org/Epiphany/ It seems there is no WebKit browser for Windows.

> There is Safari. Or whatever is based on WebKit on Linux

webkit was forked from the kde browser, not the other way.

Re: Make Firefox Private Again

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A bash script to set a config value…? I’ve been blocking ads in Firefox since you used CSS to do it [0] but let’s face it, advertising isn’t going away. Advertising is annoying, but tracking is evil and I hope initiatives like this can pave the way to having ads while not compromising user privacy. I’ll still block them, though. [0] https://www.gozer.org/mozilla/ad_blocking/css/ad_blocking.cs... (love it that site is…

The actual change-commands aren't actually that much longer than its worrisome instructions telling you to download unpredictable arbitrary data from an internet URL and blindly execute it.

A picture-based guide seems both safer and more effective. e.g. many Firefox users run Windows, where curl | sh doesn't even work - clicking on the right buttons also requires less technical expertise.

Re: Make Firefox Private Again

#46

Really sad to see Firefox’s direction but also not sure how they should be funded to avoid these things. I’m also not sure that the web can be made into something different unless web standards aren’t freed of influence by giants like Google

> not sure how they should be funded to avoid these things From donations and government grants. You know, like proper non-profits that aren't trying to LARP as a SV unicorn.

Which software with hundreds of millions of lines of code survives like this? Ideally show us security-critical examples.

Re: Make Firefox Private Again

#47
post #40

Here's the Firefox CTO explaining the motivation behind the experiment controlled by this setting, and the measures taken to ensure that it actually is private: https://old.reddit.com/r/firefox/comments/1e43w7v/a_word_abo...

Yup making this change will result in a slower move away from the current worse situation, which is less private then the proposed Mozilla future, is my reading.

Re: Make Firefox Private Again

#48

I really don't like advertising. I use uBlock Origin in my browser, AdGuard on my phone and pi-hole in my home. I even take a seam ripper to my clothes to make sure no logos remain. But I understand that advertising is the only viable business model for much of the internet. (Browsing HN and seeing that the top comment for every paywalled article is a pirated link confirms that.) If advertising must exist, I'd prefer…

Advertisers are going to use it as just another data point, though. Why give them any more information than they already have? You know some of the best technical people we have waste their lives working for advertisers, and they _will_ find a way to extract more information from these technologies regardless of how supposedly private they are.

I don't think there can be a technical solution to this problem unless advertisers are forced by government regulations to behave, with very heavy fines for non-compliance.

I personally really hoped for Mozilla to take a strong stance against advertisers and introduce an aggressive ad blocker, but it was pretty obvious they're not going to do anything like that because of the conflict of interest (Google's money). Now we get another conflict of interest on top that makes it even less likely.

Re: Make Firefox Private Again

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Earlier quoted context omitted.

The actual change-commands aren't actually that much longer than its worrisome instructions telling you to download unpredictable arbitrary data from an internet URL and blindly execute it.

A picture-based guide seems both safer and more effective. e.g. many Firefox users run Windows, where curl | sh doesn't even work - clicking on the right buttons also requires less technical expertise.

You don't even have to go to about:config - it's got a checkbox on the user settings page!
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