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Kim Dotcom's extradition to the U.S. given green light by New Zealand

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Re: Kim Dotcom's extradition to the U.S. given green light by New Zealand

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Post by neilv »

wepple wrote: post #9
awesomeMilou wrote: post #6

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There’s a substantial ongoing debate about how much responsibility a platform as for what users do on that platform. Nearly everyone in tech is affected by that. The theatrics and drama of it is a silly distraction, but the fundamental questions seem worth following and discussing. I’m not German; what an odd thing to comment.

Interesting. I thought the appeal of piracy-related stories on HN was that there's a lot of piracy going on, as private individuals.

And also because some subset of those consider piracy a hobby, mission, or right, not only a pragmatic way to get the content they want.

But I guess some people could be interested in the platform responsibility angle.

However, when discussing obviously entirely piracy platforms, isn't the interest and dialogue different, than it is for general-purpose platforms with only a fraction of the user contributions being problematic, and good-faith efforts to mitigate those?

Re: Kim Dotcom's extradition to the U.S. given green light by New Zealand

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Post by rout39574 »

popcalc wrote: post #8
wepple wrote: post #7

Earlier quoted context omitted.

I do not categorize him as “small folk like us”

Agree. "Two weeks later on 20 January, Dotcom, Finn Batato, Mathias Ortmann and Bram van der Kolk were arrested in Coatesville, New Zealand by the New Zealand Police, in an armed raid on Dotcom's house involving 76 officers and two helicopters. Seized assets included eighteen luxury cars, large TVs, works of art and US$175 million in cash. Dotcom's bank accounts were frozen, denying him access to 64 bank accounts wor…

If that logic sounds sketch when the police take $10K from a man going to buy a car, it should also be sketch when you add zeros somewhere else.

In general "That's really unusual behavior" shouldn't be enough to forfeit a fortune.

Re: Kim Dotcom's extradition to the U.S. given green light by New Zealand

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Post by finikytou »

herculity275 wrote: post #40
finikytou wrote: post #25

Earlier quoted context omitted.

sad to see that kind of comments in HN. I feel that 10 years ago there was more room for accepting that a political opponent should be free to speak up. now our educated masses are pushing for prison and extradition because they don't belong to the axis of good.... you def cannot be for opensource and its values and say things like that

The comment you're responding to just speculates that he will escape to Russia based on his (very consistent) views and activism, there's no suggestion that he should go to prison because of them.

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Re: Kim Dotcom's extradition to the U.S. given green light by New Zealand

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Post by GrumpyNl »

2OEH8eoCRo0 wrote: post #38
snapcaster wrote: post #4

Earlier quoted context omitted.

What other options does he have? I really wish people wouldn't cheer when smallfolk like us get crushed by the state. Not saying he's perfect, but what him and others have to suffer seems vastly out of proportion to what they did

I wish people wouldn't cheer when criminals evade accountability.

First we have to agree on whats a criminal.

Re: Kim Dotcom's extradition to the U.S. given green light by New Zealand

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Post by tedk-42 »

josefresco wrote: post #32
tedk-42 wrote: post #21

As an Aussie observer, I'm seeing more US influence in our region. With some 'diplomacy', Julian Assange was brought home after near 15 years fighting for BS extradition charges. The news and politicians in Australia follow almost lock step with whatever our US overlords allow us to say. It's been more of a thing lately with them trying to secure the pacific away from China's sphere of influence and the biggest 'dumb…

In your opinion why is the submarine deal/F-35 program "totally useless" for Australia? Are you saying it's the wrong equipment? Too expensive? Not needed?

Not needed. It's tax payer money down the toilet.

But hey I'm a pacifist and will be told that I'm a weak man who will lead to the downfall of civilisation so oh well.

Re: Kim Dotcom's extradition to the U.S. given green light by New Zealand

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Post by thor-rodrigues »

finikytou wrote: post #25
popcalc wrote: post #2

One-way flight to Russia? His Twitter feed for the last decade does give merit to the idea that he's been on the payroll.

sad to see that kind of comments in HN. I feel that 10 years ago there was more room for accepting that a political opponent should be free to speak up. now our educated masses are pushing for prison and extradition because they don't belong to the axis of good.... you def cannot be for opensource and its values and say things like that

I don't understand your line of thought. The question with Kim was not about open-source, was about copyright and intellectual property all along.

As other comments noted, the man literally made millions distributing copyrighted material, while completely aware of what he was doing.

Re: Kim Dotcom's extradition to the U.S. given green light by New Zealand

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Post by YounoYouno »

josefresco wrote: post #32
tedk-42 wrote: post #21

As an Aussie observer, I'm seeing more US influence in our region. With some 'diplomacy', Julian Assange was brought home after near 15 years fighting for BS extradition charges. The news and politicians in Australia follow almost lock step with whatever our US overlords allow us to say. It's been more of a thing lately with them trying to secure the pacific away from China's sphere of influence and the biggest 'dumb…

In your opinion why is the submarine deal/F-35 program "totally useless" for Australia? Are you saying it's the wrong equipment? Too expensive? Not needed?

All of the above!

Re: Kim Dotcom's extradition to the U.S. given green light by New Zealand

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Post by BiteCode_dev »

diggan wrote: post #20
throwaway48540 wrote: post #13

Earlier quoted context omitted.

It's still a human. He just shared songs on the the internet. He's treated like a war criminal.

Maybe I don't know the full story, but as far as I understand, it seems like they (Megaupload) were ignoring DMCA takedown requests for a long time, was aware there was a ton of piracy on the site and didn't give any indication whatsoever that they were even trying to react to it by banning accounts that were uploading infringing content. I don't necessarily agree you should be taken away from your home-country becau…

Getting in the way of powerful people getting more power is always punished more harshly than anything else, including murder.

In this case, he annoyed powerful IP owners, and those people in our current society are as powerful as they get.

Re: Kim Dotcom's extradition to the U.S. given green light by New Zealand

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Post by philippejara »

herculity275 wrote: post #40
finikytou wrote: post #25

Earlier quoted context omitted.

sad to see that kind of comments in HN. I feel that 10 years ago there was more room for accepting that a political opponent should be free to speak up. now our educated masses are pushing for prison and extradition because they don't belong to the axis of good.... you def cannot be for opensource and its values and say things like that

The comment you're responding to just speculates that he will escape to Russia based on his (very consistent) views and activism, there's no suggestion that he should go to prison because of them.

The comment he's responding to speculates that he is being paid by russia to post on twitter, as if people couldn't come to their own conclusions based on their own views and their own biases, which are very very strong against the US if you're Kim Dotcom with good reason.
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