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Does Sundar Pichai/Search team know how bad Google search is?
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Re: Does Sundar Pichai/Search team know how bad Google search is?
#42Earlier quoted context omitted.
Those outputting the article from the LLM can concentrate on SEO including backlinks from other LLM generated articles. The question becomes does an average LLM article + the best possible SEO beat the original article? I'm gonna say, yes, it does at which point there's no incentive for the original author. That's of course assuming the user actually searched at all or went to the LLM directly instead in which case t…
People write and publish without such incentives, without the goal of turning up on page 1 of Google search results, and don’t care about being “beaten” by whatever alternative publication. And at least so far, truly good and useful content generally does find its audience, even without SSO. There’s also a lot of content that can’t be meaningfully replaced by LLMs, such as people writing about their side projects (su…
If that were truly the case, this thread would not exist.
The truth is a decade ago the quality of sites you could find and therefore the quality of search results were way higher, back then google was literally magic in terms of finding answers to questions.
It is far, far from that now.
Re: Does Sundar Pichai/Search team know how bad Google search is?
#43Earlier quoted context omitted.
People write and publish without such incentives, without the goal of turning up on page 1 of Google search results, and don’t care about being “beaten” by whatever alternative publication. And at least so far, truly good and useful content generally does find its audience, even without SSO. There’s also a lot of content that can’t be meaningfully replaced by LLMs, such as people writing about their side projects (su…
If that were truly the case, this thread would not exist. The truth is a decade ago the quality of sites you could find and therefore the quality of search results were way higher, back then google was literally magic in terms of finding answers to questions. It is far, far from that now.
I fully agree that the experience has degraded (though defaulting to verbatim search helps a lot IME). However, I was responding to the assertion that the web is dead and that people will stop publishing on it, which I see little basis for.
Re: Does Sundar Pichai/Search team know how bad Google search is?
#44> Following a short stint at the management consulting firm McKinsey & Co., Pichai joined Google in 2004,[9] where he led the product management and innovation efforts for a suite of Google's client software products, including Google Chrome and ChromeOS, as well as being largely responsible for Google Drive Could be that he is a decent middle-to-upper manager but fails at strategic vision? Also, I'm surprised at how…
Pichai's strategic vision is, and was, AI, and that proved to be right, or at least, not clearly wrong yet. The only failing was that it was ChatGPT and not Google that made the crucial LLM breakthrough and won first mover advantage.
If anything, his failing is maintaining the right corporate culture (and not his vision).
Re: Does Sundar Pichai/Search team know how bad Google search is?
#45>If some of you say they're focusing on "revenue" and "ads" then I don't think that is it. The reason I don't agree with it is due to being a short-term focus. If your search results are bad, people will start trusting you less over time and look for answers on platforms like Reddit or other search engines, therefore you can't show them relevant ads and you lose money over the long term. In the long-term, we'll all b…
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Re: Does Sundar Pichai/Search team know how bad Google search is?
#46Re: Does Sundar Pichai/Search team know how bad Google search is?
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#48Yes...
They built it that way. Their goal is to earn money and sell ads, not to make their products better.
Re: Does Sundar Pichai/Search team know how bad Google search is?
#49> Following a short stint at the management consulting firm McKinsey & Co., Pichai joined Google in 2004,[9] where he led the product management and innovation efforts for a suite of Google's client software products, including Google Chrome and ChromeOS, as well as being largely responsible for Google Drive Could be that he is a decent middle-to-upper manager but fails at strategic vision? Also, I'm surprised at how…
Pichai's strategic vision is, and was, AI, and that proved to be right, or at least, not clearly wrong yet. The only failing was that it was ChatGPT and not Google that made the crucial LLM breakthrough and won first mover advantage. If anything, his failing is maintaining the right corporate culture (and not his vision).
> failing is maintaining the right corporate culture
Would you please share some good links to read about it?
Re: Does Sundar Pichai/Search team know how bad Google search is?
#50I think Google search quality peaked around 2012, it's been downhill since then. Enshittification is real.
I think the web had peaked by 2012. I'm now wondering whether Chrome overtaking Firefox might be related.