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A network engineer in search of greener pastures

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Re: A network engineer in search of greener pastures

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only works if you have bargaining power, which is determined by supply/demand

Hmm, what if we gatekeep the profession through licensing requirements?

I am 100% opposed to BS licensing requirements. They are intended to protect the income of the few at the expense of productivity for the many.

Re: A network engineer in search of greener pastures

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Not to step on the authors toes, but it’s not the job searching that is broken - it’s the market that has shifted to favor companies and to put applicants at a disadvantage, something that hasn’t happened in the IT field for a long time. People reject candidates without a college degree because they can afford to - they still have plenty of applicants to pick from after filtering out the rest. There is no need for th…

There's that but there's also this: > However, after heading over to Y Combinator to check out startup jobs, I was again frustrated by the findings. YC Jobs has a category for Engineering, but it's all software. There's a category for Operations, but it's all CEO, CTO, management positions. After searching and searching I was unable to find any listings for any network or cybersecurity jobs along the sysadmin/enginee…

> After searching and searching I was unable to find any listings for any network or cybersecurity jobs along the sysadmin/engineer lines. How on earth are all these startups operating without a network person? You don't have someone running your server or your VPN?

For smaller companies the answer is: "VPN admin is just one of many hats that a given generalist might wear"

It would be very costly to pay a FTE just for that one thing, it wouldn't make economical sense until the company reached a certain size and could afford a dedicated IT dept.

Re: A network engineer in search of greener pastures

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I'm a civil engineer and self taught developer. I've done software development at an internship, twice. I wasn't even hired to do so, I was in operations, I just found a need that I could fill with their system and taught myself SQL, VBA, stuff like that. I didn't end up going full time because I didn't want to move to the company HQ. Fast forward a little bit, I'm a couple years out of graduation. I've resigned myself to the fact if I want a software job my best bet is use my civil degree, get a civil job, and work my way up in the company, find a niche to target, fix it, and just do that all over again.

Re: A network engineer in search of greener pastures

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those "operational" jobs exists today. just not in the small startups, that still didn't figure out, that despite running in the cloud you need networking and cybersecurity people

The longer my career goes on, the less a lot of these cloud services make sense to me. I know why we have AWS deploy our production instances, but why are all of our staging and dev instances running on EC2? Can't we just buy an old PC and put it in the office and run dev builds on that? Sure it might be slow, but it's not meant to handle 100k QPS, it's just for QA

> Can't we just buy an old PC and put it in the office and run dev builds on that

It's cheaper to pay for those cloud resources than hiring 2-3 more people.

Re: A network engineer in search of greener pastures

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> AI is probably losing you a lot of good candidates. It can be easily gamed, and then you'll end up with someone who watched a TikTok video on "how to fool any ChatGPT in ten seconds". I also fail to understand how I can have multiple years of experience in a job as well as active certifications, and somehow still get filtered. My resume isn't that bad...what on earth is your AI doing? Do you know?

While the ol’ prompt injection tactic may soon stop working, tailoring your resume for each job to increase your interview rate won’t stop working anytime soon. Specifically, knowing which of your experiences align well with the requirements is super useful in tailoring. If you’re interested, I made a quick app[0] that does cosine similarity of your bullets to the job requirements to help visualize how well your resume aligns with the job description.

[0] https://resgen.app

Re: A network engineer in search of greener pastures

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There's that but there's also this: > However, after heading over to Y Combinator to check out startup jobs, I was again frustrated by the findings. YC Jobs has a category for Engineering, but it's all software. There's a category for Operations, but it's all CEO, CTO, management positions. After searching and searching I was unable to find any listings for any network or cybersecurity jobs along the sysadmin/enginee…

> After searching and searching I was unable to find any listings for any network or cybersecurity jobs along the sysadmin/engineer lines. How on earth are all these startups operating without a network person? You don't have someone running your server or your VPN? For smaller companies the answer is: "VPN admin is just one of many hats that a given generalist might wear" It would be very costly to pay a FTE just fo…

> a given generalist might wear

That generalist is your SRE/DevOps/Cloud Engineer in most cases.

This is why companies try to be increasingly cloud first - you can have 1 person do 3 jobs at once.

Re: A network engineer in search of greener pastures

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It's an incredible security risk to have asked my address, work history, contact info, sometimes my SSN and demographics, and have me trust that you won't have that leaked. I have immediately closed applications asking for a SSN. You know you are going to reject all but one of the candidates. Why are you hoarding this PII? Is it just an implicit way to reject immigrants? Also the ones that ask for sexual preference (…

> Also the ones that ask for sexual preference (or however it is worded to get you to say straight/gay/other). The goal is to hire someone other than a pedestrian straight white male, of course. They can't outright say it.

It's shocking that it's even allowed to be asked.

Re: A network engineer in search of greener pastures

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There's that but there's also this: > However, after heading over to Y Combinator to check out startup jobs, I was again frustrated by the findings. YC Jobs has a category for Engineering, but it's all software. There's a category for Operations, but it's all CEO, CTO, management positions. After searching and searching I was unable to find any listings for any network or cybersecurity jobs along the sysadmin/enginee…

I think there are still a fairly significant number of these jobs, but they just aren't at small companies, because you can get extremely far without even one person doing it full time. Like, into the thousands of employees in most cases, I think? Certainly into the hundreds. So I think this role just isn't very compatible with startup job boards, specifically.

Even at large companies you see less of that, I don't think it's a particularly bright career path right now.
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