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Schengen ain't what it used to be

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Re: Schengen ain't what it used to be

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Post by RandomThoughts3 »

wtcactus wrote: post #39
RandomThoughts3 wrote: post #17

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Personally, I think you illustrate well my main issue with the EU, which is that I have to live in the same political entity as the bloody racists in the north and the east. Still seem worth it overall nevertheless especially considering I already have to live with our local grown racists here anyway.

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An inhabitant of an aging continent with less and less belief in its own future, slowly being consumed by racism and xenophobia despite being desperately in need of a foreign working force who doesn’t want to come and on the verge of succumbing once again to fascism rather than actually facing its own structural issue?

Thank you, I think I know who I really am. Do you?

Re: Schengen ain't what it used to be

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Post by donohoe »

keiferski wrote: post #5

Anecdotal, but: this is probably more of a Denmark thing and not a Schengen thing. I recently crossed French, Dutch, German, and Polish borders on 4 separate trips and had no checks.

Adding to your anecdotal; went to Netherlands from NYC (passport control to get in), travelled down to Paris through Belgium. Hopped over to Italy and then to Ireland. No issues, and no id checks throughout. (did show passport in Ireland but its not part of Schengen).

Re: Schengen ain't what it used to be

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Post by Rinzler89 »

cenamus wrote: post #37
Rinzler89 wrote: post #9

Earlier quoted context omitted.

>not with the farce that exists today where "asylum" is used is a get-out-of-jail free card The problem with the current asylum system is basically anyone can come in and say: "look, Russia, US, UK, France and coalition blew up my middle eastern country, so now countries like Denmark, Sweden, Finland and Austria who had nothing to do with it, need to give me asylum to me and my whole family, simple" which makes the s…

The right wing parties act as if we could just return people to Syria, Afghanistan and whereever just as we wand, no questions asked. That you need to cooperate with these countries to return people there...

Which we can't really return since that would mean cooperation with the Taliban. And even if we could cooperate, the countries then don't want them back or will demand various favors or bribes in return so then you're basically funding some terrorist regime to return 3 illegal migrants.

Re: Schengen ain't what it used to be

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Post by jdblair »

Two years ago on our summer holiday we were driving in our camper van from northern Italy to Chamonix through the Mont Blanc tunnel. We were surprised to encounter a similar passport check, before entering the queue to pass through the tunnel.

Last summer I was half way from Amsterdam to Berlin in my van when I remembered I had forgot my passport. I am an American citizen with a Netherlands residency permit, and I remembered the experience the previous summer so I turned around and blew my first day on extra travel. I passed through 4 countries on that trip and I never needed my passport.

Re: Schengen ain't what it used to be

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Post by herbst »

The only EU border I know of that has a 24/7 checkpoint with gunned police is Germany Austria. And that is going on for years now. Nowhere else did I ever see a border here with permanent (and constantly heavy armed) checks.

Also I live in Switzerland an no border is controlled permanently, generally I only was controlled once many years ago.

Re: Schengen ain't what it used to be

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Post by herbst »

ChumpGPT wrote: post #25

Border controls don't bother me much if they're just a quick check. Countries need to verify that who is coming in is who they say they are. My problem with Schengen Zone is that you can only spend 3 months there and have to leave. There was a time you could go to Europe and spend an entire year traveling country to country, now it's only a 3 months.

Visa hops are a normal, and usually accepted, thing tho. Ex. Thailand it's only 60 days. People still spend much longer there with short stops trough cheap AirAsia flights

Re: Schengen ain't what it used to be

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Post by tim333 »

I've visited the France Italy border near Menton fairly regularly over many years. Pre EU there were border controls then with the 'border free europe' they disappear completely for a while. Now they are back in a partial way because there were loads of African and similar illegal immigrants and none of the countries really want them so the French set up controls to try to stop them crossing from Italy.

Re: Schengen ain't what it used to be

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Post by the_mitsuhiko »

Rinzler89 wrote: post #35
burgos_thrw wrote: post #13

Earlier quoted context omitted.

We crossed Germany, Austria, Czech Republic, and Hungary and were checked when entering Austria and Germany. However this was just but a small inconvenience- we waited over three hours to enter Hungary from non-Schengen country on almost 40 degrees Celsius in a car. Compared to that, Schengen (still) is a godsend.

>We crossed Germany, Austria, Czech Republic, and Hungary and were checked when entering Austria and Germany. However this was just but a small inconvenience Was that an actual check that could catch something, or was that just a useless inconvenient? Because whenever I enter Austria, the "border check" is just a young grunt soldier from his mandatory military service slowing down cars to 30kph and waiving them throu…

And it's at least 50% racism. They absolutely profile people.

Re: Schengen ain't what it used to be

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Post by the_mitsuhiko »

messe wrote: post #33
ChumpGPT wrote: post #25

Border controls don't bother me much if they're just a quick check. Countries need to verify that who is coming in is who they say they are. My problem with Schengen Zone is that you can only spend 3 months there and have to leave. There was a time you could go to Europe and spend an entire year traveling country to country, now it's only a 3 months.

It's more or less the same as traveling the US on an ESTA. You can only spend 90 days at a time there.

In the US you can get a B1/B2 that lets you stay 180 days. The same version is much harder to do in Europe since >90 day stays are limited to a single country.
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