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Google is the only search engine that works on Reddit now, thanks to AI deal

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Re: Google is the only search engine that works on Reddit now, thanks to AI deal

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post #13

Reddit has been ripe for disruption for years. It's just waiting on an inflection point and someone to take it behind the barn.

The strange thing to me is how everybody keeps trying to make distributed Twitter happen when distributed Reddit is the low hanging fruit for federated social media.

You don't want to end up banned from a movies forum because you also participate in a political forum. Federation solves that problem because you can use separate accounts without either forum knowing that you also use the other.

Re: Google is the only search engine that works on Reddit now, thanks to AI deal

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post #25

Earlier quoted context omitted.

plenty of blame to go around

You'll have to demonstrate that. Is Google's contract with Reddit exclusive, so that other search engines aren't given the opportunity to also pay? I highly doubt that, especially since the DOJ would go after that immediately because of antitrust. So no, pretty sure the blame here is 100% on Reddit unless you have evidence otherwise.

I don't think the DOJ acts immediately.

> so that other search engines aren't given the opportunity to also pay?

this makes it harder for new engines if google has exclusive deals with some of the most popular sites

Re: Google is the only search engine that works on Reddit now, thanks to AI deal

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post #13

Reddit has been ripe for disruption for years. It's just waiting on an inflection point and someone to take it behind the barn.

The network effects are too strong. Remember, the only reason Reddit "won" was because Digg destroyed itself with a radical upgrade that everyone hated. Reddit would have to do something similarly self-inflicted, and I can't even guess where people would go. Reddit was already an alternative to Digg -- what's the alternative to Reddit? I mean, it's certainly not Quora.

Reddit is quietly a huge website with a significant amount of users. So many people use it but dont talk about it. Google search says 1billion mau? Twice as big as Twitter

Re: Google is the only search engine that works on Reddit now, thanks to AI deal

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# Welcome to Reddit's robots.txt # Reddit believes in an open internet, but not the misuse of public content. # See https://support.reddithelp.com/hc/en-us/articles/26410290525844-Public-Content-Policy Reddit's Public Content Policy for access and use restrictions to Reddit content. # See https://www.reddit.com/r/reddit4researchers/ for details on how Reddit continues to support research and non-commercial use. # pol…

Looks like it changed a month ago:

https://old.reddit.com/r/redditdev/comments/1doc3pt/updating...

Re: Google is the only search engine that works on Reddit now, thanks to AI deal

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post #13

Reddit has been ripe for disruption for years. It's just waiting on an inflection point and someone to take it behind the barn.

Or for Google to buy it. They could monetize it much better while being less annoying. Ultimately - Google is getting everything they want from Reddit with this deal without having to buy it outright. Short of Reddit transforming to an entirely different product (difficult) - I'm not sure where the major growth opportunity is for it.

It wouldn't be the first time they have done something like this either. Remember https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Google_Groups ?

Re: Google is the only search engine that works on Reddit now, thanks to AI deal

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This is great. It means I won't see Reddit content popping up all over search results in other engines. Can Medium do the same? And perhaps Quora?

What a weird thing to say. Reddit has for a long time been a place where real people hang out and have real conversations, unlike quora and medium.

Re: Google is the only search engine that works on Reddit now, thanks to AI deal

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post #35

Earlier quoted context omitted.

One (in this case, 2) company's incentive for profit should not take priority over the usability/well being of the internet as a whole, ever, and is exactly why we are where we are now. This is an absolutely terrible precedent.

I agree with you in theory, but in practice someone has to pay for all this magic.

We did. As in we, the Internet, existed for a long time without anyone making money and we paid for the privilege. Websites were built and hosted at owner's expense, for years, with no expectation that they be financially rewarded. Sure some would run donation drives, or work with sponsors relevant to the community in question, but a whole ton, mine included, just cost me a lot of money over many years.

Those websites were definitely technically inferior, as the march of progress is unavoidable, but web hosting is cheaper than it's ever been. A VPS that utterly blows away what mine was capable of in 2007 for nearly a hundred a month can now be had for about $10 per month. Yet everyone wants these monolith platforms, but even that wouldn't be the worst thing ever, except that every one of these platforms has a backend to support that we in the Old Internet never did: a C-suite's worth of executives and millions of shareholders, who for some reason have decided that reddit can't exist unless reddit makes them reams and reams of money.

I'd be very, very interested to see how much of, even what's probably the most massive one of all, Facebook, is non-essential busywork that could easily be shut down tomorrow with no adverse effects to the platform. Firstly the entire executive class, just, they don't do shit to make Facebook the product. In fact I'd argue their decisions almost universally have made it worse as a product very consistently for it's entire lifetime. Then, all the marketing people. There's just no goddamn reason to advertise Facebook (or reddit for that matter) the brand is so ubiquitous, if you actually found someone who'd never heard of it, I'd give you a large chunk of money. Add to that, if Facebook was doing a good job of being what it ostensibly is, then people immediately become the best advertising, because people want to hang with people in these digital spaces. Then get rid of the people working to make Facebook addictive with dark patterns. Then get rid of the entire targeted ad division, because it's gross and inhumane. Pare the company down to engineers who build the product, and if anything, expand the moderation team so they can actually ensure the safety of the platform, and of course the IT staff to back them. Now what does Facebook cost to operate?

As far as I'm concerned, this pearl-clutching about "well websites have to make money" is grossly, grossly overstated. Websites don't cost that much to run. A ton of money is being siphoned off by the MBA parasites playing games in Excel all day. A ton more is being wasted developing features that advertisers want and users hate. A ton more is being funneled into making products artificially addictive to vulnerable people, to exploit them, so let's just not do that. And of course, leadership, rewarding themselves with generous compensation packages they aren't even remotely able to justify. Now what does your website cost to maintain? Surely not nothing, and for websites of substantial size, it will still be high, but I'm willing to bet it's a hell, hell, hell of a lot less than it was before.

Re: Google is the only search engine that works on Reddit now, thanks to AI deal

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post #29

They changed robots.txt a month or so ago. For the first 19 years of life, reddit had a very permissive robots.txt. We allowed all by default and then only restricted certain poorly behaved agents (and Bender's Shiny Metal Ass(tm)) But I can understand why they made the change they did. The data was being abused. My guess is that this was an oversight -- that they will do an audit and reopen it for search engines aft…

The blocks for MojeekBot, as Cloudflare verified and respectful bot for 20 years, started before the robots.txt file changes. We first noticed in early June.

We thought it was an oversight too at first. It usually is. Large publishers have blocked us when they have not considered the details, but then reinstated us when we got in touch and explained.

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