Talk to anyone who has real experience in biotechnology and mammalian cell culture, and they will point out that this fantasy. The epitome of ZIRP. You should regard any companies in this space with extreme scepticism, and look for signs that they are scams.
Is Cultivated Meat for Real?
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Re: Is Cultivated Meat for Real?
#42Earlier quoted context omitted.
The most environmentally friendly is to not eat meat.
If you continue this ad absurdum, the only logical step would be to perform a variant of seppuku. I see relatively little sepukkus performed around me.
That's because people don't get that absurd and just go vegetarian or vegan, or generally just try to eat a little less meat
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#43I'm not convinced lab grown meat will ever be economical because real meat is subsidized, but not in the way you think (ie government subsidies). If you think about the Earth, it receives a large amount of solar energy. While it makes the world habitable it does a lot of other things. A big one is that the Earth stores this energy in various ways. Plants are an example of this. Photosynthesizing plants, in particular…
> Put it in on some land with somne grass and fresh water and in a small number of years, it'll be a cow that will produce hundres of pounds of meat. It's taken a lot of energy to get there but most of that energy is free.
The land and water are very much not free, and under serious pressure in lots of parts of the world. The energy cost of lab-grown is real, but if it can be fed by other foodstock waste or some kind of cheap renewable source, it starts to look more competitive.
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#44Earlier quoted context omitted.
Cool. The strongest argument for a boring diet is your teeth.
Yeah, the people who have a more diverse diet are the ones with a "boring" diet. Interesting logic there friend.
(1) Are meat diets really any more diverse? If you 1-1 substituted chicken for quorn, beef for soy, etc., that seems basically the same to me.
(2) If cultivated meat becomes affordable, it's actually made of meat. The same stuff, just from a vat rather than a body.
This can easily be much more diverse, because suddenly all the endangered species, a few extinct species, and human flesh(!) legally get on the menu.
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#45Cultured meat is the ultimate processed food. It is to meat what a pop tart is to bread and fruit.
I would be seriously concerned about sanitary situation where they grow meat, what kind of we-discover-in-future-it-increases-cancerXYZ-chance chemicals are used to keep it sterile enough.
I wish for this to be cheap effective replacement just like next Joe, but having former GF microbiologist I know how hard is to keep these things sterile even for few days. If there are nutrients for muscle cells, they are useful also for other microbes/fungus. And you literally need 1 tiny microscopic spore to get in, there is no immune system to weed it out, just chemicals that then permeate everything.
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#46The idea of cultured meat sounds wonderful. Its real meat, but without the guilt. But there is the cold reality of enshittification and the numerous sketchy practices of the industrial food industry. So one has to make a choice: the traditional "Iowa" meat industrial complex or the new "valley bro" meat industrial one? For now at least I feel safer with the former.
For the sake of completeness : one also have the choice to not eating meat, with sub choices of various nutriments sources from wholegrain to heavily industrial processed stuff.
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#47If economy of scale is a problem, I look forward to seeing home-tanks that sit on the counter top like slow cookers and produce the meat-alike overnight. Go to the store and buy bags of concentrate just like any other grocery ingredient.
You can make Tempeh at home: the colonisation is ~24/72h. Super nutritious and if well cooked strong umami taste like wild/farm meat, compared to sweetysweet nugget.
Soy products contain high levels of plant-based estrogen, not something you want to pump your body with continuously. Or does the process of creating Tempeh somehow removes/inactivates this?
Re: Is Cultivated Meat for Real?
#48Earlier quoted context omitted.
"I eat real meat!" Cultivated meat IS real meat from meat cells, it is not a meat imitation based on soy, wheat or whatever. Potentially much safer. Think of dead zombie disease or suspected cancer risk of beef. https://www.gesundheitsindustrie-bw.de/en/article/news/new-p... https://publichealth.gmu.edu/news/2024-03/should-you-be-worr... Why do animals have to suffer for our meat supply? “As long as there are slaught…
Animals are part of this thing called the cycle of life that has been going on since near the beginning of the earth and will go on long after humanity has faded to dust. Being eaten is normal, it's part of how ecosystems are regulated, and everything dies anyhow so why not be a meal on the way out so that something else can live. If you want to direct your rage somewhere, direct it at the people who force these anim…
True, but I hoped we could become more than animals in the future.
Re: Is Cultivated Meat for Real?
#49I'm not convinced lab grown meat will ever be economical because real meat is subsidized, but not in the way you think (ie government subsidies). If you think about the Earth, it receives a large amount of solar energy. While it makes the world habitable it does a lot of other things. A big one is that the Earth stores this energy in various ways. Plants are an example of this. Photosynthesizing plants, in particular…
That's certainly why it used to be important, but it's no indication of future importance.
After all, a similar argument can be made about transitioning from hunting to livestock: we have to take on the responsibility for an extra part of their life cycle, and we do so willingly for the economic benefits.
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#50I like thinking about space colonization. Whether it be a the first colony on Mars or a robust space station orbiting Jupiter, what do you think their food is like? Do you think they have farms growing cows and pigs and dogs? Or do they have a bioreactor that uses substantially less water and organic inputs to output whatever meat they want without fear of zoonotic diseases and PETA?
I'm willing to bet Star Trek rings true here in that there are no farms on spaceships growing animals, therefore, this is the future we should be working for. Why waste time tearing down the rain forest to make room for cattle and the soybeans the cows will eat when we could instead use our resources to bring about cultivated meat faster? Few people say cultivated meat is impossible. It is only a matter of research which means time and money. But given the benefits, we should be all in on this research.