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July 2024 Update on Instability Reports on Intel Core 13th/14th Gen Desktop CPUs

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Re: July 2024 Update on Instability Reports on Intel Core 13th/14th Gen Desktop CPUs

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Post by beacon294 »

bgmeister wrote: post #33
beacon294 wrote: post #27

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Could you elaborate on the process people versus product people?

I assume they're referring to Steve Jobs' comments in this (Robert Cringely IIRC) interview: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=l4dCJJFuMsE (not a great copy, but should be good enough)

Oh yeah, this got rehashed as builders versus talkers too. Yeah, there's a lot of this creative vibe type dividing. It's pretty complicated, I don't even think individual people operate the same when placed in a different context. Usually their output is a result of their incentives, so typically management failure or technical architect failure.

Re: July 2024 Update on Instability Reports on Intel Core 13th/14th Gen Desktop CPUs

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Post by Joel_Mckay »

basementcat wrote: post #31
beacon294 wrote: post #27

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Could you elaborate on the process people versus product people?

I would argue the fabrication process people at Intel are core to their business. Without the ability to reliably manufacture chips, they're dead in the water.

You mean manufacturing "working chips" is supposed to be their business.

It is just performance art with proofing wafers unless the designs work =3

Re: July 2024 Update on Instability Reports on Intel Core 13th/14th Gen Desktop CPUs

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Post by jeffbee »

wmf wrote: post #34
nubinetwork wrote: post #32

They already tried bios updates when they pushed out the "intel defaults" a couple months ago...

Firmware and microcode aren't the same thing.

Very true and that's why it is odd that microcode has been mentioned here. Surely they mean PCU software (Pcode), or code for whatever they are calling the PCU these days.

Re: July 2024 Update on Instability Reports on Intel Core 13th/14th Gen Desktop CPUs

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Post by Joel_Mckay »

beacon294 wrote: post #27
Joel_Mckay wrote: post #24

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Their acquisition of Altera seemed to harm both companies irreparably. Any company can reach a state where the Process people take over, and the Product people end up at other firms. Intel could have grown a pair, and spun the 32 core RISC-V DSP SoC + gpu for mobile... but there is little business incentive to do so. Like any rotting whale, they will be stinking up the place for a long time yet. =)

Could you elaborate on the process people versus product people?

It is an old theory that accurately points out Marketing/Sales division people inevitably out-compete product innovation people in a successful firm.

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Competitive_exclusion_principl...

And yes, the Steve Jobs interview does document how this almost destroyed Apples core business. =)

Re: July 2024 Update on Instability Reports on Intel Core 13th/14th Gen Desktop CPUs

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Post by wmf »

jeffbee wrote: post #43
wmf wrote: post #34

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Firmware and microcode aren't the same thing.

Very true and that's why it is odd that microcode has been mentioned here. Surely they mean PCU software (Pcode), or code for whatever they are calling the PCU these days.

I assume Intel's "microcode" updates include the PCU code, maybe some ME code, and whatever other little cores are hiding in the chip.

Re: July 2024 Update on Instability Reports on Intel Core 13th/14th Gen Desktop CPUs

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Post by wslh »

hsbauauvhabzb wrote: post #23
acrispino wrote: post #20

An Intel employee is posting on reddit: https://www.reddit.com/r/intel/comments/1e9mf04/intel_core_1... A recent YouTube video by GamersNexus speculated the cause of instability might be a manufacturing issue. The employee's response follows. Questions about manufacturing or Via Oxidation as reported by Tech outlets: Short answer: We can confirm there was a via Oxidation manufacturing issue (addressed back in 2023) b…

So they were producing defective CPUs, identified & addressed the issue but didn’t issue a recall, defect notice or public statement relating to the issue? Good to know.

It is the Pentium FDIV drama all over again! [1]. It is even in chapter 4 of the Andrew Grove's book!

[1] https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Pentium_FDIV_bug

Re: July 2024 Update on Instability Reports on Intel Core 13th/14th Gen Desktop CPUs

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Post by [deleted] »

acrispino wrote: post #20

An Intel employee is posting on reddit: https://www.reddit.com/r/intel/comments/1e9mf04/intel_core_1... A recent YouTube video by GamersNexus speculated the cause of instability might be a manufacturing issue. The employee's response follows. Questions about manufacturing or Via Oxidation as reported by Tech outlets: Short answer: We can confirm there was a via Oxidation manufacturing issue (addressed back in 2023) b…

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Re: July 2024 Update on Instability Reports on Intel Core 13th/14th Gen Desktop CPUs

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Post by Joel_Mckay »

bgmeister wrote: post #33
beacon294 wrote: post #27

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Could you elaborate on the process people versus product people?

I assume they're referring to Steve Jobs' comments in this (Robert Cringely IIRC) interview: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=l4dCJJFuMsE (not a great copy, but should be good enough)

Partly true, Steve Jobs had a charismatic tone when describing these problems in public.

Have a great day, =3

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