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10% of Cubans left Cuba between 2022 and 2023

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Re: 10% of Cubans left Cuba between 2022 and 2023

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Post by EVa5I7bHFq9mnYK »

anovikov wrote: post #8
EVa5I7bHFq9mnYK wrote: post #2

Looks like the main reason is - Cuba's two main benefactors stopped supplying fuel on the cheap, as they have their hands full with their own crises.

I see it as complete opposite. They did it because they could: for a long while, U.S. admitted virtually everyone as a refugee without even an attempt to cook up a plausible story. That happened only in 2022-2024. It's a no brainer to see no one ever wanted to live in Cuba. Trick is having a place to go. Until the politically opportunistic immigration loophole was closed this year, they had.

Conditions have deteriorated drastically in recent years, food production down 70% from a few years ago.

Re: 10% of Cubans left Cuba between 2022 and 2023

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Post by astromaniak »

giancarlostoro wrote: post #6

I wonder what a sensible way forward for Cubans is, and their government. What would it take for the US to lift sanctions (I assume a radical shift within Cuba's government), and for Cuba itself (as a whole) to restructure their government in a way that would benefit them and everyone. Cuba would be a great travel destination. Their cigars aren't as on par anymore as far as I know, but there's potential there, Nicara…

> Cuba would be a great travel destination

There are many similar destinations, and all of them are still poor. Besides, Cuba has already tourists from Canada and Europe.

My guess their best chance is to start manufacturing for cheap. Close to US makes them more competitive. But for this to happen commies government has to go.

Re: 10% of Cubans left Cuba between 2022 and 2023

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Post by spiderice »

atlas_hugged wrote: post #33
seniorivn wrote: post #23

Earlier quoted context omitted.

They are a hostile dictatorship, with zero resources but their oppressed people. Why would USA be interested in allying with them?

Their government is hostile like a friend’s chihuahua. It will make it known it doesn’t like you, but it ain’t going to do anything about it because it can’t. The people on the other hand are truly wonderful human beings that would love to be able to have visitors or visit other countries themselves. Who cares if some politicians feelings get hurt. People want to be free to do what they want in a supposedly free coun…

What does any of what you said have to do with the US though?

Re: 10% of Cubans left Cuba between 2022 and 2023

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Post by 1123581321 »

reducesuffering wrote: post #24
chaorace wrote: post #16

Earlier quoted context omitted.

The current U.S. position towards Cuba continues to puzzle me. Their geopolitical stance is nowhere near being on the same level as North Korea or Iran. Given Cuba's proximity and relative productive capacity you'd think that we'd be easy allies if only they hadn't upset a bunch of dead politicians 60 years ago.

While Florida was/is a swing state in US elections, whoever secures the ex-Cuban vote wins a massive amount of electoral votes. Republicans are fine jockeying against Cuba "because communism", and so the Democrats are in a pickle in that the right thing to do would be to improve relations with Cuba but it guarantees to hand Florida over to the Republicans who will then have the presidency and proceed to treat Cuba as…

Cubans who emigrate vote relatively conservatively, so perhaps it’s in the interest of the Democratic Party to make it more attractive to stay if most existing anti-Cuba Floridians are not marginal/swing voters.

Re: 10% of Cubans left Cuba between 2022 and 2023

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Post by [deleted] »

V__ wrote: post #9

> Most of those migrants have come to the United States in what experts call the most significant migration wave in Cuban history. With the destabilization that a population drop of 10% has, the potential for more migration in the long term and the associated costs... Wouldn't it make sense for the U.S. to invest and help Cuba? It would also have the additional benefit of maybe depriving Russia of an ally.

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Re: 10% of Cubans left Cuba between 2022 and 2023

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Post by atlas_hugged »

pasquinelli wrote: post #38
xyzzy4747 wrote: post #19

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china's doing good. or is china not doing good, somehow? or are they not communist, somehow? meanwhile, america is a farce...

Everything is a farce.

Everything is made up.

People in power are always just the most high functioning sociopaths that clamor for it, communism or not.

Re: 10% of Cubans left Cuba between 2022 and 2023

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Post by astromaniak »

duskwuff wrote: post #20
toast0 wrote: post #14

Earlier quoted context omitted.

> Cuba would be a great travel destination. It's been a while since I visited places outside the US, but one of the shocking things was travel ads for Cuba everywhere. From what I can tell, US-Cuban relations seem to be at the whim of the US President. Most of the US population doesn't care; most of the rest of the world has fine relations with Cuba, but isn't going to pressure the US. Nobody is sending missiles to C…

> Nobody is sending missiles to Cuba anymore. Or are they? https://www.cnn.com/2024/06/12/americas/russian-navy-cuba-in...

Still no. Just a visit, doesn't look like Cuba has any wish to become Russia's military fortress. From Russia side all decisions are made by a single person who is not thinking big. Cuba would be quite expensive. Ukraine is more then enough for Putin, unlikely he wants a new 'adventure'.

Re: 10% of Cubans left Cuba between 2022 and 2023

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Post by energy123 »

seniorivn wrote: post #23
chaorace wrote: post #16

Earlier quoted context omitted.

The current U.S. position towards Cuba continues to puzzle me. Their geopolitical stance is nowhere near being on the same level as North Korea or Iran. Given Cuba's proximity and relative productive capacity you'd think that we'd be easy allies if only they hadn't upset a bunch of dead politicians 60 years ago.

They are a hostile dictatorship, with zero resources but their oppressed people. Why would USA be interested in allying with them?

The US should oppose expansionist dictatorships that attempt to alter the status quo via forceful revisionism. That's Russia in Ukraine and China in Asia.

I don't see how opposing Cuba achieves anything in the US interests.

Re: 10% of Cubans left Cuba between 2022 and 2023

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Post by olalonde »

pasquinelli wrote: post #38
xyzzy4747 wrote: post #19

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china's doing good. or is china not doing good, somehow? or are they not communist, somehow? meanwhile, america is a farce...

> or are they not communist, somehow?

How are they? They have a market economy. Plus, the US has greater government spending (as % of GDP) than China.

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