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Re: Musk Says He Will Move X and SpaceX Headquarters Out of California

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Post by coolbreezetft24 »

falleng0d wrote: post #15
claudiulodro wrote: post #8

Doesn't X have a pretty strict RTO policy? Are they making all of the employees move?

I wonder if there is a chance employees would actually be in favor of that. Considering that the high taxes also affects them and there is also the increasing criminality problem

Seems like this would be disruptive to lot of people who would have to uproot their families and move to a new state to keep their job? Kids would have to change schools, spouses get new jobs. Leave neighbors/friends/families. All because of one persons culture war grievances

Re: Musk Says He Will Move X and SpaceX Headquarters Out of California

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Post by beaglesss »

JumpCrisscross wrote: post #38
beaglesss wrote: post #31

Earlier quoted context omitted.

There's some interesting behavioral evolutionary calculus that might be interesting here though. If you find out your kid is trans there is a much lower chance they pass on your genes, could it be natural for the relationship to be more likely to break down after that? I would think evolution would tend to more or less force the most parental resources to go to the most likely propagation of those genes. Especially i…

> If you find out your kid is trans there is a much lower chance they pass on your genes, could it be natural for the relationship to be more likely to break down after that? While we know transexuality—people having gender identities or conforming to gender norms other than those corresponding to their assigned sex—is preserved across millennia and disparate cultures [1], it’s unclear if it generalises beyond humans…

I'm not sure history shows parents have on average been comparatively kind to gay children either.

Instinct is definitely one possible explanation for a behavior spanning so much geography and cultures.

Re: Musk Says He Will Move X and SpaceX Headquarters Out of California

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Post by strangattractor »

derdi wrote: post #33
strangattractor wrote: post #23

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First the :) means I was somewhat joking. Second as much as I love CA the state has become increasingly interested in creating unenforcible and intrusive laws. Although I can see a case for protecting children from abusive parents (we have laws for that already) it seems to ignore other things. Like the following: 1. AFAIK - If a kid decides to change their pronoun around their friends the school is not required to r…

> First the :) means I was somewhat joking. Sure, but about what? To me it came across as "I acknowledge my kids' right to privacy and chose to phrase this humorously". Now it sounds more like "I deny my kids' right to privacy and chose to phrase this humorously". > 3. Where's the data to back this decision up? As I understand it from other posters, individual schools had already ordered their teachers to snitch to p…

"The measure Democratic Gov. Gavin Newsom signed on Monday, is the first to rebuke laws in a handful of other states that say educators must alert parents if a student requests to go by a different name or pronouns. At least 10 states say educators and classmates don’t have to use a student’s name or pronouns if it doesn’t align with a student’s sex assigned at birth." [1]

[1] https://www.edweek.org/leadership/should-schools-tell-parent....

So the law was passed to fix a problem that does not exist in CA.

Re: Musk Says He Will Move X and SpaceX Headquarters Out of California

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Post by greentxt »

Bostonian wrote: post #2

I agree with Musk about the California law, but a CEO is supposed to make decisions for a company to increase shareholder value (and arguably benefit other stakeholders), not to make political points. 'His disclosures followed the move by California Gov. Gavin Newsom, a Democrat, to sign a new law Monday that aims to prevent schools from informing families if their children identify as gay or transgender. “This is th…

Isn't the legislative climate and the perceived wisdom of a state's political leadership something that might reasonably impact shareholder value? Can making political points ever increase shareholder value in and of itself? Isn't that sort of the premise of ESG?

Re: Musk Says He Will Move X and SpaceX Headquarters Out of California

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Post by enragedcacti »

strangattractor wrote: post #40
enragedcacti wrote: post #37

Earlier quoted context omitted.

> 3. Where's the data to back this decision up? LGBTQ kids report homelessness at much higher rates than their peers[1], are heavily over-represented in foster care[2], and report substantially higher rates of abuse[3]. https://www.americanprogress.org/article/gay-and-transgender... https://youth.gov/youth-topics/lgbtq-youth/child-welfare https://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pmc/articles/PMC8344346/ Side note but its kind of…

In what way will this law prevent or improve the situation? This law seems to be in reaction to laws that were passed in other states requiring the reporting. We don't have that in CA. Having looked at your sources I would agree there are problems but pronoun protection seems to be the least useful solution and likely posturing by certain politicians with Presidential ambitions. IMHO

Some school districts in California already tried to implement forced outing policies. The policies were tied up in California courts so they weren't in practice but this law cuts them off completely. It also lays the groundwork and starts the process of fending off legal challenges that will hopefully make laws like this easier to pass in other states. Agreed that there are many related issues that CA and elsewhere should be tackling. But we aren't talking about the law because its proponents think its a complete solution, were talking about it because Elon and many others are apoplectic about this simple common-sense policy.

Re: Musk Says He Will Move X and SpaceX Headquarters Out of California

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Post by JumpCrisscross »

beaglesss wrote: post #42
JumpCrisscross wrote: post #38

Earlier quoted context omitted.

> If you find out your kid is trans there is a much lower chance they pass on your genes, could it be natural for the relationship to be more likely to break down after that? While we know transexuality—people having gender identities or conforming to gender norms other than those corresponding to their assigned sex—is preserved across millennia and disparate cultures [1], it’s unclear if it generalises beyond humans…

I'm not sure history shows parents have on average been comparatively kind to gay children either. Instinct is definitely one possible explanation for a behavior spanning so much geography and cultures.

> not sure history shows parents have on average been comparatively kind to gay children

Historically parents weren’t kind to any children because they were costly and died a lot. (Almost no ancient culture condemned—as we do today—a parent exposing an unwanted baby, for instance, for reasons ranging from birth defect to family rivalry [1]. This behaviour, too, in conserved in animals [2].)

There was a good thread on this a few days ago [3], but TL;DR gay stigmatisation is more recent than homosexuality (or trans sexuality). The behaviour that is older and better conserved across geography and cultures is the underlying one, not the negative backlash. (Also conserved: bad parents.)

[1] https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Infanticide

[2] https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Infanticide_(zoology)

[3] https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=40977331

Re: Musk Says He Will Move X and SpaceX Headquarters Out of California

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Post by rjbwork »

Dig1t wrote: post #26
falleng0d wrote: post #13

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> Man who hates that his trans child hates him angry These are very strong accusations. Do you have a reference or is this just an emotional response?

This is discussed in the Walter Isaacson biography that came out last year. Saying he “hates” his daughter is completely wrong and ignores first hand claims from both Musk and his biographer. >Musk only learned she had transitioned through a secondhand source >The wife of Elon's brother got a text, Isaacson wrote, which said: "Hey, I'm transgender, and my name is now Jenna". The text from the child, as in the biograp…

I didn't say he hates his daughter. I'd suggest you reread.

Re: Musk Says He Will Move X and SpaceX Headquarters Out of California

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Post by beaglesss »

JumpCrisscross wrote: post #46
beaglesss wrote: post #42

Earlier quoted context omitted.

I'm not sure history shows parents have on average been comparatively kind to gay children either. Instinct is definitely one possible explanation for a behavior spanning so much geography and cultures.

> not sure history shows parents have on average been comparatively kind to gay children Historically parents weren’t kind to any children because they were costly and died a lot. (Almost no ancient culture condemned—as we do today—a parent exposing an unwanted baby, for instance, for reasons ranging from birth defect to family rivalry [1]. This behaviour, too, in conserved in animals [2].) There was a good thread on…

Using absolute across the board lesser investment to dismiss comparative investment is a bit sloppy and a red herring.

The thread you reference is criminality and infanticide, not parental prioritization of kids old enough to be known as gay/trans. I suspect most people don't know if their infant is gay/trans. I also assert there is a difference between prioritizing relationships and resources on a parent to child level and views on what should be illegal.

A gay or trans person probably has as much evolutionary value to society as anyone else, the fallacy you've fallen into from your prior post is to confuse that population level dynamic with the parents drive to pass on their particular genes.

It seems absolutely insane to me that it isn't even possible to consider the parent has an instinct to prioritize relationships and resources with children most likely to reproduce. It seems some want to work hard to make sure it isn't seen as a reasonable hypothesis, because if it were those feelings would be as valid and baked in as homosexual feelings.

Re: Musk Says He Will Move X and SpaceX Headquarters Out of California

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Post by s1artibartfast »

tomjakubowski wrote: post #35
vel0city wrote: post #32

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Houston has mission control, lots of astronaut training, and a lot of administration in Houston. But Pasadena CA has the Jet Propulsion Lab, which is a big part of the design of the rockets and robots and what not.

The Los Angeles area in general has lots of aerospace engineering: besides JPL, Lockheed, Northrop, Boeing each have a big presence, not to mention the plethora of smaller defense contractors.

Aerojet rocketdyne is a big part of the story too

Re: Musk Says He Will Move X and SpaceX Headquarters Out of California

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Post by s1artibartfast »

rjbwork wrote: post #16
falleng0d wrote: post #13

Earlier quoted context omitted.

> Man who hates that his trans child hates him angry These are very strong accusations. Do you have a reference or is this just an emotional response?

I know that his trans child won't speak to him - I surmise it indicates hate, but perhaps not. Usually when people say things like "this is the final straw" it indicates anger. You can read more on the former by searching "Xavier Musk" and/or "Vivian Musk".

Isn't there an inversion taking place in that logic. It stands that she might hate him, but not that he hates her.
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